Ayesha Roscoe

OK, so so housing first was an alternative to treatment first. Yeah. So what were the problems with this reward and punishment based system that, you know, housing first emerged to address?

OK, so so housing first was an alternative to treatment first. Yeah. So what were the problems with this reward and punishment based system that, you know, housing first emerged to address?

So you're talking about the 1811 Eastlake Project. Yes. You've got a section about this in your audio documentary, and it starts with this excerpt from a local Seattle call-in show back then, The Conversation.

So you're talking about the 1811 Eastlake Project. Yes. You've got a section about this in your audio documentary, and it starts with this excerpt from a local Seattle call-in show back then, The Conversation.

So you're talking about the 1811 Eastlake Project. Yes. You've got a section about this in your audio documentary, and it starts with this excerpt from a local Seattle call-in show back then, The Conversation.

So what I'm picking up on here is that there are very different ideas about what success looks like under Housing First. The callers were basically saying they want people to get sober. And Bill, who runs the nonprofit, is saying we have to accept that, you know, some percentage of people are never going to get sober.

So what I'm picking up on here is that there are very different ideas about what success looks like under Housing First. The callers were basically saying they want people to get sober. And Bill, who runs the nonprofit, is saying we have to accept that, you know, some percentage of people are never going to get sober.

So what I'm picking up on here is that there are very different ideas about what success looks like under Housing First. The callers were basically saying they want people to get sober. And Bill, who runs the nonprofit, is saying we have to accept that, you know, some percentage of people are never going to get sober.

Yeah, I can see how it's hard to accept that some people won't be able to get helped in the way that we think about it. Like, can everybody with the right, you know, approach get sober? What happened with 1811 Eastlake?

Yeah, I can see how it's hard to accept that some people won't be able to get helped in the way that we think about it. Like, can everybody with the right, you know, approach get sober? What happened with 1811 Eastlake?

Yeah, I can see how it's hard to accept that some people won't be able to get helped in the way that we think about it. Like, can everybody with the right, you know, approach get sober? What happened with 1811 Eastlake?

So Will has raised a lot of really difficult questions about Housing First as a policy. After the break, he tries to make sense of all of this nuanced information, the good stuff, the bad stuff, and how it can all fit together. We're back with the Sunday story, talking with reporter Will James about the complicated reality of Housing First.

So Will has raised a lot of really difficult questions about Housing First as a policy. After the break, he tries to make sense of all of this nuanced information, the good stuff, the bad stuff, and how it can all fit together. We're back with the Sunday story, talking with reporter Will James about the complicated reality of Housing First.

So Will has raised a lot of really difficult questions about Housing First as a policy. After the break, he tries to make sense of all of this nuanced information, the good stuff, the bad stuff, and how it can all fit together. We're back with the Sunday story, talking with reporter Will James about the complicated reality of Housing First.

Will, I want to take us back to the question that kicked off your reporting. The results from 1811 Eastlake are part of this stack of evidence that Housing First works. And yet, the shortfalls that you point to in your reporting are real, right? So in practice, people continue to relapse and overdose and have crises even once they're inside under Housing First.

Will, I want to take us back to the question that kicked off your reporting. The results from 1811 Eastlake are part of this stack of evidence that Housing First works. And yet, the shortfalls that you point to in your reporting are real, right? So in practice, people continue to relapse and overdose and have crises even once they're inside under Housing First.

Will, I want to take us back to the question that kicked off your reporting. The results from 1811 Eastlake are part of this stack of evidence that Housing First works. And yet, the shortfalls that you point to in your reporting are real, right? So in practice, people continue to relapse and overdose and have crises even once they're inside under Housing First.

I'm wondering, how have you come to understand the role of Housing First in addressing homelessness?

I'm wondering, how have you come to understand the role of Housing First in addressing homelessness?

I'm wondering, how have you come to understand the role of Housing First in addressing homelessness?