Ayesha Roscoe

So how did you get access to the church and the people behind it? And do they call themselves Christian nationalists?

When we come back, we'll take a listen to some of season two of Heath Drewson's podcast, Extremely American. It starts off with a candid moment between Drewson and Gabriel Wrench. He's a prominent member of Doug Wilson's Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, the Moscow, Idaho-based religious organization.

When we come back, we'll take a listen to some of season two of Heath Drewson's podcast, Extremely American. It starts off with a candid moment between Drewson and Gabriel Wrench. He's a prominent member of Doug Wilson's Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, the Moscow, Idaho-based religious organization.

When we come back, we'll take a listen to some of season two of Heath Drewson's podcast, Extremely American. It starts off with a candid moment between Drewson and Gabriel Wrench. He's a prominent member of Doug Wilson's Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, the Moscow, Idaho-based religious organization.

Then, Drewson and his co-reporter James Dawson check out a Christian nationalist conference called Fight, Laugh, Feast, headlined by Doug Wilson and other leading voices of the national movement. We'll be right back.

Then, Drewson and his co-reporter James Dawson check out a Christian nationalist conference called Fight, Laugh, Feast, headlined by Doug Wilson and other leading voices of the national movement. We'll be right back.

Then, Drewson and his co-reporter James Dawson check out a Christian nationalist conference called Fight, Laugh, Feast, headlined by Doug Wilson and other leading voices of the national movement. We'll be right back.

You're listening to The Sunday Story. After the break, Heath Drewson and I sit down to talk about the road ahead as we enter the next Trump term. We'll be right back.

You're listening to The Sunday Story. After the break, Heath Drewson and I sit down to talk about the road ahead as we enter the next Trump term. We'll be right back.

You're listening to The Sunday Story. After the break, Heath Drewson and I sit down to talk about the road ahead as we enter the next Trump term. We'll be right back.

We're back with Heath Drusen talking about his podcast, Extremely American. which takes this deep dive into Christian nationalism and talks to the practitioners of it who are very open about it. One thing that I was struck by in the excerpt that we just heard is that they want the nation to be run under religion.

We're back with Heath Drusen talking about his podcast, Extremely American. which takes this deep dive into Christian nationalism and talks to the practitioners of it who are very open about it. One thing that I was struck by in the excerpt that we just heard is that they want the nation to be run under religion.

We're back with Heath Drusen talking about his podcast, Extremely American. which takes this deep dive into Christian nationalism and talks to the practitioners of it who are very open about it. One thing that I was struck by in the excerpt that we just heard is that they want the nation to be run under religion.

This idea of Christianity or Christ, that's where I get a little confused because I'm a Christian and I grew up in a very conservative church. But I guess I want to get some clarity on what these specific Christian nationalists, when they're talking about a Christian government, what does that actually look like to them?

This idea of Christianity or Christ, that's where I get a little confused because I'm a Christian and I grew up in a very conservative church. But I guess I want to get some clarity on what these specific Christian nationalists, when they're talking about a Christian government, what does that actually look like to them?

This idea of Christianity or Christ, that's where I get a little confused because I'm a Christian and I grew up in a very conservative church. But I guess I want to get some clarity on what these specific Christian nationalists, when they're talking about a Christian government, what does that actually look like to them?

The other part of this that I think is, you know, very interesting is that there was like another very pro-U.S. and Protestant movement in the 1920s. And that was like the Ku Klux Klan, right? Where... to be American was to be white and to be Protestant, right? Like that was a part of this, right? Like that was a part of what it meant.

The other part of this that I think is, you know, very interesting is that there was like another very pro-U.S. and Protestant movement in the 1920s. And that was like the Ku Klux Klan, right? Where... to be American was to be white and to be Protestant, right? Like that was a part of this, right? Like that was a part of what it meant.

The other part of this that I think is, you know, very interesting is that there was like another very pro-U.S. and Protestant movement in the 1920s. And that was like the Ku Klux Klan, right? Where... to be American was to be white and to be Protestant, right? Like that was a part of this, right? Like that was a part of what it meant.

And obviously now the Klan was a terrorist organization, but I just wonder how does whiteness interact with this movement?