Ayesha Roscoe

I mean, that just seems so unfair, especially when you have someone who was committing similar crimes with the same M.O. I mean, and then you have a judge that reviewed it and grilled the witnesses and found Ben to be innocent. So so did the higher court in rejecting what the judge found, did they give a reason? Was it just that there wasn't any DNA? Yeah.

It's really unimaginable. Yeah. what he's going through. And I mean, you know, at this point, Ben's been in prison for 30 years. And I just have to say that again, 30 years. And now he's essentially being told that there's really no hope. But... then there's you and Barbara, and you get involved in 2017.

It's really unimaginable. Yeah. what he's going through. And I mean, you know, at this point, Ben's been in prison for 30 years. And I just have to say that again, 30 years. And now he's essentially being told that there's really no hope. But... then there's you and Barbara, and you get involved in 2017.

It's really unimaginable. Yeah. what he's going through. And I mean, you know, at this point, Ben's been in prison for 30 years. And I just have to say that again, 30 years. And now he's essentially being told that there's really no hope. But... then there's you and Barbara, and you get involved in 2017.

OK, so you team up with this investigator who has this experience. But it sounds kind of a little crazy because didn't Jim McCloskey, he already was looking for new evidence with his efforts and he talked to 200 people. He didn't find anything. But so y'all, but y'all thought y'all could find something.

OK, so you team up with this investigator who has this experience. But it sounds kind of a little crazy because didn't Jim McCloskey, he already was looking for new evidence with his efforts and he talked to 200 people. He didn't find anything. But so y'all, but y'all thought y'all could find something.

OK, so you team up with this investigator who has this experience. But it sounds kind of a little crazy because didn't Jim McCloskey, he already was looking for new evidence with his efforts and he talked to 200 people. He didn't find anything. But so y'all, but y'all thought y'all could find something.

Yeah, I mean, you just knock on the door and see what happens. Exactly. What's the second lesson?

Yeah, I mean, you just knock on the door and see what happens. Exactly. What's the second lesson?

Yeah, I mean, you just knock on the door and see what happens. Exactly. What's the second lesson?

Yeah, so he was the one who said, oh, yeah, he told me everything, and I was so outraged, and that's why I'm testifying. That's right.

Yeah, so he was the one who said, oh, yeah, he told me everything, and I was so outraged, and that's why I'm testifying. That's right.

Yeah, so he was the one who said, oh, yeah, he told me everything, and I was so outraged, and that's why I'm testifying. That's right.

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We're back with the Sunday story from Up First. So Barbara Bradley Haggerty has gone to Dallas to reinvestigate the crime, found two key witnesses from the original trial, and they both recant. She also found a new alibi witness. So what happens now?

We're back with the Sunday story from Up First. So Barbara Bradley Haggerty has gone to Dallas to reinvestigate the crime, found two key witnesses from the original trial, and they both recant. She also found a new alibi witness. So what happens now?

We're back with the Sunday story from Up First. So Barbara Bradley Haggerty has gone to Dallas to reinvestigate the crime, found two key witnesses from the original trial, and they both recant. She also found a new alibi witness. So what happens now?

The wild thing about this case is it seems like anyone who even just scratches the surface a little bit finds evidence and all the evidence is pointing towards Ben being innocent. Like there's no evidence pointing the other way.