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and access to the cloud they got. This is Berulis' whole job, to guard the sensitive data in the cloud of his agency. He works at the National Labor Relations Board, or NLRB, which is a small, independent federal agency that enforces the law to protect people from unfair labor practices, like when a corporation wants to illegally punish workers for organizing a union.

and access to the cloud they got. This is Berulis' whole job, to guard the sensitive data in the cloud of his agency. He works at the National Labor Relations Board, or NLRB, which is a small, independent federal agency that enforces the law to protect people from unfair labor practices, like when a corporation wants to illegally punish workers for organizing a union.

After the Doge team arrived, Barula saw one red flag after another, indicating that sensitive data at the NLRB was at risk. It scared him enough to come forward as a whistleblower. He filed a disclosure with Congress and he approached Jenna at NPR. Baruch's story gives us a rare look at what Doge was doing inside this agency and perhaps inside many others.

After the Doge team arrived, Barula saw one red flag after another, indicating that sensitive data at the NLRB was at risk. It scared him enough to come forward as a whistleblower. He filed a disclosure with Congress and he approached Jenna at NPR. Baruch's story gives us a rare look at what Doge was doing inside this agency and perhaps inside many others.

After the Doge team arrived, Barula saw one red flag after another, indicating that sensitive data at the NLRB was at risk. It scared him enough to come forward as a whistleblower. He filed a disclosure with Congress and he approached Jenna at NPR. Baruch's story gives us a rare look at what Doge was doing inside this agency and perhaps inside many others.

And also what that means for the sensitive data of millions of Americans. Jenna McLaughlin has covered cybersecurity for over a decade. Stephen Fowler is also with us. He's been focusing on the big picture of the federal government's restructuring under President Trump. Jenna and Stephen, thanks so much for being here.

And also what that means for the sensitive data of millions of Americans. Jenna McLaughlin has covered cybersecurity for over a decade. Stephen Fowler is also with us. He's been focusing on the big picture of the federal government's restructuring under President Trump. Jenna and Stephen, thanks so much for being here.

And also what that means for the sensitive data of millions of Americans. Jenna McLaughlin has covered cybersecurity for over a decade. Stephen Fowler is also with us. He's been focusing on the big picture of the federal government's restructuring under President Trump. Jenna and Stephen, thanks so much for being here.

Thanks for having us. So tell me a bit about this particular whistleblower at the NLRB. Like, who is he?

Thanks for having us. So tell me a bit about this particular whistleblower at the NLRB. Like, who is he?

Thanks for having us. So tell me a bit about this particular whistleblower at the NLRB. Like, who is he?

So Daniel Baroulis has been working in cybersecurity for a long time. Walk me through what he saw when the Doge team accessed the NLRB systems.

So Daniel Baroulis has been working in cybersecurity for a long time. Walk me through what he saw when the Doge team accessed the NLRB systems.

So Daniel Baroulis has been working in cybersecurity for a long time. Walk me through what he saw when the Doge team accessed the NLRB systems.

How unusual is that request not to log? Like, does that happen often, or are there special situations where they don't log?

How unusual is that request not to log? Like, does that happen often, or are there special situations where they don't log?

How unusual is that request not to log? Like, does that happen often, or are there special situations where they don't log?

Stephen, kind of help us zoom out a bit and put all of this into context. How is this different from how the federal government has historically operated?

Stephen, kind of help us zoom out a bit and put all of this into context. How is this different from how the federal government has historically operated?

Stephen, kind of help us zoom out a bit and put all of this into context. How is this different from how the federal government has historically operated?