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But has NPR seen evidence of this? You know, is he just making allegations or have people confirmed like what he says he saw?

So how much data are we talking about? Like, is it every file that the NLRB got? So it's not everything.

So how much data are we talking about? Like, is it every file that the NLRB got? So it's not everything.

So how much data are we talking about? Like, is it every file that the NLRB got? So it's not everything.

When he realized this data was taken, what did Barulas do next?

When he realized this data was taken, what did Barulas do next?

When he realized this data was taken, what did Barulas do next?

That's really scary. I mean, the idea of it seems like someone's watching him. Does he know or have any idea who left that letter?

That's really scary. I mean, the idea of it seems like someone's watching him. Does he know or have any idea who left that letter?

That's really scary. I mean, the idea of it seems like someone's watching him. Does he know or have any idea who left that letter?

When we come back from the break, Jenna and Steven consider what else could be motivating Doge to access all this data.

When we come back from the break, Jenna and Steven consider what else could be motivating Doge to access all this data.

When we come back from the break, Jenna and Steven consider what else could be motivating Doge to access all this data.

We're back with the Sunday story from Up First. We're talking with reporters Jenna McLaughlin and Stephen Fowler about a huge story that they've broken wide open after talking to a whistleblower at the National Labor Relations Board, or NLRB. So what are the consequences of the access that Doge has gained to these systems? What kind of vulnerabilities has Doge left in its wake?

We're back with the Sunday story from Up First. We're talking with reporters Jenna McLaughlin and Stephen Fowler about a huge story that they've broken wide open after talking to a whistleblower at the National Labor Relations Board, or NLRB. So what are the consequences of the access that Doge has gained to these systems? What kind of vulnerabilities has Doge left in its wake?

We're back with the Sunday story from Up First. We're talking with reporters Jenna McLaughlin and Stephen Fowler about a huge story that they've broken wide open after talking to a whistleblower at the National Labor Relations Board, or NLRB. So what are the consequences of the access that Doge has gained to these systems? What kind of vulnerabilities has Doge left in its wake?

Stephen, you mentioned earlier that there's no reason Doge needs to access the data at the NLRB for their stated mission, which is to deal with waste, fraud, and abuse. So why else might they want to collect it?

Stephen, you mentioned earlier that there's no reason Doge needs to access the data at the NLRB for their stated mission, which is to deal with waste, fraud, and abuse. So why else might they want to collect it?

Stephen, you mentioned earlier that there's no reason Doge needs to access the data at the NLRB for their stated mission, which is to deal with waste, fraud, and abuse. So why else might they want to collect it?

So, Stephen, from what you're saying, it's like this story is likely bigger than just the NLRB. Since Doge has gained access to several agencies at this point, how have cybersecurity experts at other agencies responded?