Azeem Azhar

A lot of what we've discussed feels like it doesn't add to the core components of

a job that connects to wellbeing, that look at people as more than just stacanovite worker bees to be optimized within the great machine.

What is that balance and what have you seen in working with organizations about how well this job architecture, hey, Ben, you're not Ben, you're actually employee number X who has skills in this bundle of tasks.

And we're going to change that bundle, right?

That to me already doesn't feel like it's a nice thing to be done to one.

I have two kind of answers here.

Can you give an example of one of those ways that gives integrity and purposefulness for someone as they go through this, something that you've seen in the field?

What you're describing is credible, Ben.

You can see how and why that would be more effective.

It does strike me that that will work for some types of corporate cultures.

I mean, what you have described, I'm thinking about tech companies and the big tech companies.

I'm thinking they could do this falling out of bed in the morning before their coffee, because that is the inherent way in which these companies have been architected.

I'm not sure if Dunder Mifflin, the paper manufacturer sales company, has the right cultural wherewithal and how many companies in America actually have that kind of cultural capacity and have the depth in the management and leadership talent to facilitate that.

So I'm going to leave that as a question, not for you or I to answer.

I'll leave it with listeners to think about because it's a big challenge.

The other thing we haven't talked about, though,

is the fundamental instability of the technology.

So you talked about a really important point, which again, I want people to hold on to this notion that maybe it's managers expectations of what AI might do in the next six months, 12 months, 24 months, that is slowing down the pace of hiring.

But there is another piece that's happening with AI, which is undeniable.

And that is, it is getting more and more capable.