Azeem Azhar

Sell it to the agents who have probably rented humans to do the jobs they can't do themselves.

Okay, we've had two different views here.

Matt, I'm going to give you a third view just to really make you work hard for your moderator's seat.

Let's take this idea that Hannah raised, which is like different classes of interactions for the end user, whether it's consumer or business.

And the point that Jaime made, which was, look, the infrastructure really, really matters.

The infrastructure obviously matters an enormous amount because in the last week or two, if you've been using Anthropic, it got really slow because we all got excited about Opus 4.5.

And then the question is, well, where does the revenue come from?

Where is the point at which people start to spend more and more?

And one thing I would say from just looking at the exponential view bills, our bills have gone up since Opus 4.5 came out.

Okay, because everyone is coding more.

We're running many more background processes that are chewing through tokens.

And I thought that was all true until I installed my open claw bot.

Actually, it was called, what was it called?

Clawed initially.

And I've called mine Mini Arnold in homage to the second Terminator that came back to protect us.

But Mini Arnold is a greedy, and forgive my French, mofo.

He will chew through $20 to $30 of tokens a day.

So we're talking five grand a year in order to do my bits and pieces.

And I've pushed him down to Haiku, which is the cheapest anthropic model.

I do the heartbeat on a local LLM so that every 30 minutes I'm not having to pay for that.