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Azeem Azhar

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

that it felt to me like it's a recipe for an economy-wide staircase implementation.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

Rather than a smooth curve, the smooth exponential curves that I love so much, but more a lumpy, punctuated deployment because each step...

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

is dependent on a bunch of it depends issues that might relate to a firm or an industry or a sector or regulated jobs, protected jobs, powerful classes of work.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

And if that's the case, some will hold out for longer.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

It might shape the way that deployment actually happens.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

Perhaps it's going to be

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

at the same time a bit slower than some people might imagine, but also, you know, jerkier as we kind of hit each part of the staircase.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

It's super important.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

We think back to the typewriter.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

We're going back to the 1890s, 1920s, an awful lot, right?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

But, you know, it was 25 years for the typewriter to make its way through.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

And I think there was some other work by economics historians saying that companies, with the exception of the startups like Ford, didn't fully transition to electricity until one generation of managers retired, right?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

And a new generation emerged.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

And I guess,

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

What we see from other parts of history is that it's often about diffusion rather than direct innovation that we start to see broad-based benefits.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

But of course, an anthropic Dario has said, it's all about a data center of Nobel Prize winners that we'll be able to deliver in a couple of years.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

And one of the observations I would make, and respond how you like, I think most people I know would really struggle

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

to get the most out of Claude Opus 4.1, which you've just about to turn off because it's like, you know, a model that's a few months old, let alone 4.5.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

And that perhaps the thing that turns it depends to we can do it, it is about a particular class of

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

skills or confidence or attitude that may cluster quite a lot in Silicon Valley, but is much, much less profuse in other parts of the world.