Baird Hall

Um,

Yeah.

Very different from the way we think.

So I think it's interesting to follow him and he's had a lot of hot takes lately.

So, um, just trying to keep up with him, but, um, no, I'd say, um, you know, there's a lot of people on indie hackers.

I love being on that forum and just following other bootstrappers that have kind of done it like we have.

I don't know how I do this without intercom, to be honest.

I mean, as a one man show, being in control of marketing and support.

I mean, that's that handles all my chat support, all my outgoing messages, all of my onboarding as well for automated messaging.

It's so expensive and it stings to pay that bill every month.

But I just I'd love to find an alternative that's cheaper.

But it's it has to be.

I mean, it's where I spend all my all my time.

Married, and I've got an eight-month-old daughter who has just been awesome.

I know.

It's funny.

My business partner, he's got a year-and-a-half-year-old.

And when we started the companies, we had these big dreams of...

we're going to bootstrap our company.

We'll travel the world and do whatever we want.