Barbara Bradley Hagerty

Yeah, well, so here's how he used his time. He stood up and he reminded everyone that he and his family were not the only victims of the justice system.

Yeah, well, so here's how he used his time. He stood up and he reminded everyone that he and his family were not the only victims of the justice system.

Well, it's complicated. And first, let me just say that Ben Spencer did receive compensation for the injustice. But, of course, he lost arguably the best years of his life, ages 22 to 56. The good news is the criminal justice system is getting better in some states. There's more understanding of the flaws, and some states are changing the law to prevent wrongful convictions. For example, Texas.

Well, it's complicated. And first, let me just say that Ben Spencer did receive compensation for the injustice. But, of course, he lost arguably the best years of his life, ages 22 to 56. The good news is the criminal justice system is getting better in some states. There's more understanding of the flaws, and some states are changing the law to prevent wrongful convictions. For example, Texas.

Well, it's complicated. And first, let me just say that Ben Spencer did receive compensation for the injustice. But, of course, he lost arguably the best years of his life, ages 22 to 56. The good news is the criminal justice system is getting better in some states. There's more understanding of the flaws, and some states are changing the law to prevent wrongful convictions. For example, Texas.

I mean, Texas has severely limited the use of jailhouse informants, and prosecutors have to turn over all their evidence to the defense. I mean, Texas actually has become the model in the country, and it's done this for a couple of reasons. First, it turns out that a lot of people have been wrongly convicted in Texas and later cleared.

I mean, Texas has severely limited the use of jailhouse informants, and prosecutors have to turn over all their evidence to the defense. I mean, Texas actually has become the model in the country, and it's done this for a couple of reasons. First, it turns out that a lot of people have been wrongly convicted in Texas and later cleared.

I mean, Texas has severely limited the use of jailhouse informants, and prosecutors have to turn over all their evidence to the defense. I mean, Texas actually has become the model in the country, and it's done this for a couple of reasons. First, it turns out that a lot of people have been wrongly convicted in Texas and later cleared.

Also, Texas still executes people, and it would look really bad to execute an innocent man. But the bad news is, getting an innocent person out of prison still requires dumb luck. Ben Spencer is the luckiest of the unlucky. But, you know, at the end of the day, Aisha, I'm kind of left with this question. In America, should a person's freedom depend on luck?

Also, Texas still executes people, and it would look really bad to execute an innocent man. But the bad news is, getting an innocent person out of prison still requires dumb luck. Ben Spencer is the luckiest of the unlucky. But, you know, at the end of the day, Aisha, I'm kind of left with this question. In America, should a person's freedom depend on luck?

Also, Texas still executes people, and it would look really bad to execute an innocent man. But the bad news is, getting an innocent person out of prison still requires dumb luck. Ben Spencer is the luckiest of the unlucky. But, you know, at the end of the day, Aisha, I'm kind of left with this question. In America, should a person's freedom depend on luck?

And thank you so much, Aisha, for having me on.

And thank you so much, Aisha, for having me on.

And thank you so much, Aisha, for having me on.

Thank you, Aisha. It's good to be here.

Thank you, Aisha. It's good to be here.

Thank you, Aisha. It's good to be here.

Well, I went in with an open mind. You know, I poured through hundreds of pages of documents and it really became clear that Ben hadn't gotten a fair trial because the case relied entirely on witnesses who wanted a monetary reward or a jailhouse informant who wanted a lighter sentence.

Well, I went in with an open mind. You know, I poured through hundreds of pages of documents and it really became clear that Ben hadn't gotten a fair trial because the case relied entirely on witnesses who wanted a monetary reward or a jailhouse informant who wanted a lighter sentence.

Well, I went in with an open mind. You know, I poured through hundreds of pages of documents and it really became clear that Ben hadn't gotten a fair trial because the case relied entirely on witnesses who wanted a monetary reward or a jailhouse informant who wanted a lighter sentence.