Barney Ronay

I mean, there was a sense of a vacuum there.

I don't feel that he is offering any leadership or anything, really, or even any substance, just simply energy, optics.

And Stokes was everything in that regard.

Stokes is the captain, was the person who gave it all its substance.

If you're left with McCullum, you really have just got the sort of paper around the greasy piece of fish.

There's nothing much there.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

He's literally, he's made in Australia.

I mean, he's no Shane Warne.

I mean, Shane Warne's the genius.

Stokes, Stokes is a paradox, isn't he?

Cause he, he had that one brilliant couple of years.

He had 2019, 2018 where his numbers were those elite numbers, but he has always popped up and won games and everybody knows about his talent.

And he has been a very good captain.

Um,

I think what part of the thing is that he is the last person in this country who will play test cricket and be a massive popular star.

I just don't see it ever happening again.

People know who he is.

People recognize him in the street.