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Yeah, I was going to say, is this something that's surprising? Is this something that's out of, I guess it feels out of nowhere because I, this is something that's on my mind of like, oh yeah, when is Shuhei going to leave? Especially when he's had such a trajectory of, you know, starting so early at PlayStation, having such a rise, being head of PlayStation Worldwide Studios.

And now being, or having now been the head of like the PlayStation's like indie, head of indie initiative, right? Like it seems like there was sort of a arc that happens that feels like a, hey, this is what I want to do. Like I went from having like all this responsibility to now like, you know, being able to focus more in on, hey, I love indies. Like I love working directly with these developers.

And now being, or having now been the head of like the PlayStation's like indie, head of indie initiative, right? Like it seems like there was sort of a arc that happens that feels like a, hey, this is what I want to do. Like I went from having like all this responsibility to now like, you know, being able to focus more in on, hey, I love indies. Like I love working directly with these developers.

Is this something that for you, you would have expected as somebody who probably pays a bit more attention? Yeah. It's a great question, Bless.

Is this something that for you, you would have expected as somebody who probably pays a bit more attention? Yeah. It's a great question, Bless.

I think the first time I heard of Chicory was from Shuhei Yoshida. Sure, sure. And then she ended up playing it.

I think the first time I heard of Chicory was from Shuhei Yoshida. Sure, sure. And then she ended up playing it.

bigger third party that is looking for things if he ended up at an xbox dude if i was phil it's a first call i would i saw them going back and forth on twitter i was like that would be awesome yeah i guess my expectation would yeah like be either like he has an idea for his own company where he's going to help indies or if he wants to be like get into consulting or something along those lines yeah like i kind of expect a similar trajectory as like the people you mentioned right but maybe a bit more hands-on yeah

bigger third party that is looking for things if he ended up at an xbox dude if i was phil it's a first call i would i saw them going back and forth on twitter i was like that would be awesome yeah i guess my expectation would yeah like be either like he has an idea for his own company where he's going to help indies or if he wants to be like get into consulting or something along those lines yeah like i kind of expect a similar trajectory as like the people you mentioned right but maybe a bit more hands-on yeah

Um, but yeah, like that's exciting stuff though. Like Shuhei has been somebody who like to say I've been a fan would be weird because it's almost like, it's not like he's a podcaster. It's not like he's like, you know, direct, like directly making the video game. And so like, I, I think it's just been, he's been somebody that I've followed over the years.

Um, but yeah, like that's exciting stuff though. Like Shuhei has been somebody who like to say I've been a fan would be weird because it's almost like, it's not like he's a podcaster. It's not like he's like, you know, direct, like directly making the video game. And so like, I, I think it's just been, he's been somebody that I've followed over the years.

mainly because of things like beyond and him showing up on different podcasts.

mainly because of things like beyond and him showing up on different podcasts.

But I think also what you talk about as far as him being one of the faces of PlayStation, I feel like we talked about this often. The fact that PlayStation doesn't really have as much of that anymore.

But I think also what you talk about as far as him being one of the faces of PlayStation, I feel like we talked about this often. The fact that PlayStation doesn't really have as much of that anymore.

And I think, you know, at a certain time, the way I would think about PlayStation and Shuhei's relationship with it, like, Shuhei was essentially what I envisioned as, like, Phil Spencer to Xbox, right? Like, you are the face that I associate with this thing. Different roles, obviously.

And I think, you know, at a certain time, the way I would think about PlayStation and Shuhei's relationship with it, like, Shuhei was essentially what I envisioned as, like, Phil Spencer to Xbox, right? Like, you are the face that I associate with this thing. Different roles, obviously.

But, like, I think Shuhei stepping down kind of feels like it has a bit of that style of impact of, oh, man, I never thought I would see this happen, right? This man that I associate so strongly with the brand stepped down in this way. But, yeah, like, congratulations to him for the 31 years, was it?

But, like, I think Shuhei stepping down kind of feels like it has a bit of that style of impact of, oh, man, I never thought I would see this happen, right? This man that I associate so strongly with the brand stepped down in this way. But, yeah, like, congratulations to him for the 31 years, was it?

Heck yeah. Greg, thank you so much for joining me for this conversation.