Barry Baines

Well, you know, Stan, I'll just be really brief here. You hit the big three, okay? Yeah, right. Drugs or medications, all those, tobacco and alcohol. And some of that is inherent in the society that we live in and they become societal norms. And I think that's what makes it a real public health challenge to do that.

Well, you know, Stan, I'll just be really brief here. You hit the big three, okay? Yeah, right. Drugs or medications, all those, tobacco and alcohol. And some of that is inherent in the society that we live in and they become societal norms. And I think that's what makes it a real public health challenge to do that.

And I was, my ears sort of perked up, Dr. Patton, when you talked about, you know, the request for the family-based interventions. I think that's going to be, you know, the key. And just a quick aside, I remember when secondhand smoke became big. And oftentimes that was a much better motivator for parents to either

And I was, my ears sort of perked up, Dr. Patton, when you talked about, you know, the request for the family-based interventions. I think that's going to be, you know, the key. And just a quick aside, I remember when secondhand smoke became big. And oftentimes that was a much better motivator for parents to either

you know, could go to, you know, ideally to quit smoking, but as a second choice, don't smoke in the house, go outside, you know, if you want to, you know, smoke, okay. But, but don't make your kids sick because you're smoking in the house. And oftentimes that was a motivator, you know, for parents. So again, I guess the, you know, the glass is half full, at least you help the kid out.

you know, could go to, you know, ideally to quit smoking, but as a second choice, don't smoke in the house, go outside, you know, if you want to, you know, smoke, okay. But, but don't make your kids sick because you're smoking in the house. And oftentimes that was a motivator, you know, for parents. So again, I guess the, you know, the glass is half full, at least you help the kid out.

You know, and those cues of seeing their parents smoke all the time in the house, if they're not there, it's less reinforcement of the norm of, of, of smoking. So it's, I know that doesn't really clarify, you know, things, but it's sort of like we have all the tools and, you know, we have a big toolbox and how do we deploy what's in the toolbox that works for this particular person or this family.

You know, and those cues of seeing their parents smoke all the time in the house, if they're not there, it's less reinforcement of the norm of, of, of smoking. So it's, I know that doesn't really clarify, you know, things, but it's sort of like we have all the tools and, you know, we have a big toolbox and how do we deploy what's in the toolbox that works for this particular person or this family.

And a lot of times it's for me, it was, it was trial and error, but I had the advantage of relationship over years. And, you know, so that they, you know, I'd have patients come in and say, so when are you going to ask me about my smoking?

And a lot of times it's for me, it was, it was trial and error, but I had the advantage of relationship over years. And, you know, so that they, you know, I'd have patients come in and say, so when are you going to ask me about my smoking?

Dr. B, you know, cause they knew, you know, but that was good because they knew to, you know, to expect that and they can prepare their excuses, what have you, or they say, you know, I think I'd like to, you know, then invest, look into that a little bit more. So it's, you have to take, like in public health, you have to take the longitudinal view.

Dr. B, you know, cause they knew, you know, but that was good because they knew to, you know, to expect that and they can prepare their excuses, what have you, or they say, you know, I think I'd like to, you know, then invest, look into that a little bit more. So it's, you have to take, like in public health, you have to take the longitudinal view.

There are very few acute, you know, immediate things that you could do where you're going to see impacts. So I hope that informs the conversation a little.

There are very few acute, you know, immediate things that you could do where you're going to see impacts. So I hope that informs the conversation a little.

Barry? I think keep working with the goal of reduction of use. I think the goal of eradication in our capitalist society where a lot of other factors are at play. Eradication is not going to work just like prohibition didn't really help for alcohol. But I think long-term reduction and just incrementally and coming up with newer ideas.

Barry? I think keep working with the goal of reduction of use. I think the goal of eradication in our capitalist society where a lot of other factors are at play. Eradication is not going to work just like prohibition didn't really help for alcohol. But I think long-term reduction and just incrementally and coming up with newer ideas.

We're never at a loss for coming up with creative ideas to try out. And then researchers like Dr. Patton can tell us if we're on the right path or not. So thank you so much for sharing your information. It was really I really enjoyed it quite a bit. Thank you.

We're never at a loss for coming up with creative ideas to try out. And then researchers like Dr. Patton can tell us if we're on the right path or not. So thank you so much for sharing your information. It was really I really enjoyed it quite a bit. Thank you.

Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts on this. I'll try and keep them under control. So just, you know, give me the, okay, that's, you know, that's good. So really wearing the medical hat, at a very high level, labeling and stereotyping, I would say that stereotyping is a subset of of labeling. And like most things, as in our research pointed out, it can be a double-edged sword.

Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts on this. I'll try and keep them under control. So just, you know, give me the, okay, that's, you know, that's good. So really wearing the medical hat, at a very high level, labeling and stereotyping, I would say that stereotyping is a subset of of labeling. And like most things, as in our research pointed out, it can be a double-edged sword.