Barry Baines

so many of the topics are that we talk about here.

And I think related to trauma, it's a similar kind of thing.

What kind of struck me, Sam, especially with the caregivers, that people...

you know, kind of diverted or, you know, in a way, medicated their trauma by becoming caregivers, right?

And, you know, there's this concept that I read about that relates to personal suffering, but it's the idea of the wounded healer.

And that's sort of what was circling around in my brain, this idea that people deal with these life traumas and it's sort of like a distraction in a way, but it's a way for them to get through the day by, again, providing care to others, but at the cost that they're not taking care of themselves, really.

Yeah.

So when one of the other things we did a show on disparities in health care, and we know that generally speaking, populations of color.

don't get the same level of care, don't have the same access to care as do the Caucasian population.

I mean, that's sort of a, you know, what it is.

And I was just wondering if from your perspective, does that also wind up playing a role in the options that are available for your clientele, particularly black men,

in terms of what I'm going to say is, is there a better option for addressing that trauma?

And then, well, yeah, but do they have access to it?

Because if they're shut off from that, then what, in some ways it makes it worse because, you know, well, yeah, there's something that can be done, but I can't, but I can't get it or I can't access it.

I'm just wondering, well, you know, how, how you kind of see that.

Well, I would say at the time I was in practice, very little.

I would say, you know, I sort of am a ways distant from a direct practice with families that tended to concentrate more on geriatric and, you know, people dying.

And in that one, oftentimes trauma would come up, but it was more how do you reconcile that?

And the other reality is that this whole idea of people being traumatized is still something that's evolving.

It's becoming more talked about.