Barry Weiss
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976 appearances
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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But hold on, hold on, hold on. I think that there's a really interesting and hopefully we'll assign it very deep story to be written on Elon and China and his interest there. No question. But I completely fail to see how this isn't just a really, really simple debate and a sincere one between –
Those who believe, as you do and as Steve Bannon does in a kind of economic populist worldview, and those who believe, like Elon and Vivek and perhaps Brianna and probably me, that you can make a very potent America first argument by saying, look, in order for us to stay ahead of all of these other countries that we are kind of at, you know, in a new Cold War with on AI, on quantum computing, on chips, on biotech,
We have to be fast, we have to be cheap, and we have to be ahead. And that we need to win, we need to beat China. And the way to do that is to get the best and the brightest around the world. It's not to say we shouldn't train people in Appalachia or anything else, but the way to do that is to get them. Like, how is it not as—that's how I see it.
I see it as an argument between those that have generally a free market worldview and those that don't. Right.
I don't know if I would think it's dastardly. I want to ask you guys a question about the politics of this because, Batya— You're a fan of Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon's going around talking about, I guess he has like five days left to do it, how he's going to do anything to keep Elon Musk out of the new administration and how it's a personal goal of his to, quote, take this guy down.
I don't see that happening. Like, I don't think that Trump, who has come out strongly in favor of H-1B visas and very much on the side of Musk and Ramaswamy in this debate, is going to change course. Do you? And where is it making you sit vis-a-vis Trump in this direction of the new White House?
Well, one thing that we haven't touched on that I'm obviously, like, you guys both saw this. I'm not sure if listeners who are not perpetually online like us did. The racism on the right that came out around this issue was really, really disgusting. I mean, I don't even want to quote the kinds of things they said, but it basically amounted to why do we want these smelly Indians in our country to—
get out. This is, you know, America's for white people. How alarmed should we be about those voices? Do they represent a real constituency? Do they represent the base? Like, how should we understand that, Brianna or Bhatia, either of you?
You have insight, I think. And tell me, is nationalist populist the right way to explain kind of the Bannon wing of the party? How would you describe it?
So like... You swim in those waters. You speak to those people. A, how enraged are they about the way Trump broke on this issue? And B, do you think that this is a fight that we're going to kind of continue to see play itself out over and over again between sort of like – call it MAGA 1.0, the nationalist populace that –
drove him to power in 2016 and perhaps representing Trump's base, unclear to me, and then sort of MAGA 2.0 with Ramaswamy and a lot of these other Silicon Valley types. Like, let's talk a little bit about that dynamic because I think it's extremely interesting and a big one for people to watch.
More with Batya Ungar Sargon and Brianna Wu after the break. Stay with us. OK, one thing, you know, we were speaking earlier about the vibe shift and, you know, Maria Shriver sort of turning against California Democrats, at least subtly to me, is a big sign of it.
Another huge sign of it from another part of California, more northern part of California, is Mark Zuckerberg and the direction that he is taking meta. Yeah.
watching the five-minute... I don't think you can find sort of a better emblem of the vibe shift than this five-minute video that he put out announcing that they were getting rid of their fact-checking apparatus, which had been accused of being deeply politically biased, that they were moving parts of the company to Texas, that they're unwinding DEI.
I mean, like, he went on Joe Rogan and talked about how... Corporate America has become feminized. Like, it was just like this really red pill moment. Brianna, let's start with you. What did you think about this move? Like, a sincere change of heart, opportunism. What does it augur for the next four years?
TOS, meaning violating the terms of service.
Do you think that this Zuckerberg pivot signals that we're post-woke?
The New York Times ran a headline a few days ago that read like a Babylon Bee headline or an Onion headline from the old days. It said, Meta says fact-checkers were the problem. Fact-checkers rule that false. I couldn't tell if it was a joke or not. Pandya, anything else you want to say about that? I don't know if you saw that headline.
I don't know. I sort of see it as like this, I guess what Timur Karan would call preference falsification. Like people have been living over the past decade with private truths, you know, like saying in private, woke is a little crazy or is a lot crazy. But in public, you know, putting up the right hashtags or the black squares or whatever you're supposed to do.
And I think what's happened since November 5th and maybe actually since the attempted assassination against Trump on July 13th, is just the shattering of that illusion.
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