Ben Chu

So the Fatih Birol, who was the head of that, said the world is facing its biggest energy shock in history, bigger than the 19... Since energy was invented.

Well, pretty much.

So he's really sounding the warning about the implications of that.

And to Helen's point, he is saying we need to take action now to reduce the amount of energy we use.

So drive less, reduce speed limits, conserve energy, which is pushing against a lot of what people are asking for, some political parties are pushing for, which is subsidies to the costs of buying that energy.

So I think it's really interesting that, you know, the guy who is really at the coalface, so to speak...

of the energy question, is recommending a particular form of policy.

And a lot of political parties are saying the opposite.

And I think that speaks to perhaps, you know, maybe we do need to recalibrate a little bit in terms of how permanent this shock is going to be and the implications of that.