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Ben Handel

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Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

And so then all healthcare systems around the world and in different settings in the U.S., they're set up with some basket of rationing policies, some basket of policies that say, we're not going to give you everything you want, and we're going to have to have some mechanism to figure out what you get and what you don't get.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Almost every other market, that's prices.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Amazon is going to charge you $65 for something.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

You either buy it or you don't.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Healthcare, that doesn't work because we say we're going to charge you $80,000 and the person says, well, I'm insured.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

I'm not paying this.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

I think it's closely related.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Take a system like the UK where there's nationalized health care.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

What are the rationing policies there?

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

How are they limiting care so that people aren't just consuming everything they want?

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

Time.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

They have time.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

They make you wait in line.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

And then they also have an institute called NICE, the National Institute for Clinical Excellence.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

And there they just crunch numbers, cost-benefit, and they say, as a national health system, we're going to cover this thing and not this thing.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

The U.S.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

has a privatized system, as you mentioned, much more privatized.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

What that means is that while there's some regulation in the U.S., the onus is really on insurers, UnitedHealthcare, Aetna, Humana, Blue Cross.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

The onus is on the insurers to form that basket of rationing policies.

Freakonomics Radio
The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

What that means is that instead of having some kind of centralized national way, you're rationing health care.