Ben Harnwell

Tell us about this shocking story.

Before you move on to the glimmers of –

hope that might be coming out on this next development on the trans front.

And I'll hand over to Frank and Liz as well if they have anything to add or insights from what you've just said.

But the thought that strikes me is that, you know, you have these gender conversion therapies that are being banned right across the West where people will go and say that they basically want to be reinforced in their gender, their biological gender identity.

um and they're all being banned because they're all being told by the authorities no no you've got to embrace if if you have some doubts you have to embrace your uh your gender identity which needs to come out you you can't suppress it the thought that strikes me that is if we if we had kids coming out of the gender conversion therapy um with the this propensity to violence and and school massacres

Christians would be getting arrested.

I mean, they're getting arrested anyway, right?

But there'd be... I'd say we'd have the FBI on us, but Christians have the FBI sort of tracking them down as well.

But you get the point I'm trying to say.

If there was that relationship between the attempts to reinforce people in their biological gender identity and their propensity... I don't say their propensity to violence, because obviously not all trans are violent, but there's a link here between...

between the trans ideology and the anger and resentment that creates in the people that bursts out in these uncontrollable ways.

But it's happening, however, it's happening over to these patients, victims, we can call them that.

And there's no word about whether really the approach on the authorities is totally different from what it would be if it were the other way around.

the way round, right?

Do you, just because we've got like 90 seconds before we go to, before I do an ad read, and then Jenny's got the other development to talk to us about immediately after.

Do either of you two, Liz, Frank, have a quick response to what Jenny was saying?

Perhaps on the point that she suggested about the potential here for demonic infiltration.

It is demonic.

Look, I'll say this, right, that I spent a number of years working both in the British Parliament, the House of Commons, and also the European Parliament, especially working on the pro-life, pro-family legislation.