Ben Harnwell

It's to tell them to frustrate the democratic mandate of this administration in kicking out

What I was saying is that the institution of the Catholic Church in America is being encouraged by the purported Pope to resist and to oppose and obstruct the lawful work of the government.

Yeah, and that is effectively insurrection.

That's another word for it.

Sedition, right?

That is another word for it.

Sedition.

Frustrating the legitimate and legal...

Yeah, that is correct.

It is morally seditious.

That's what's taking place.

And the tragedy is this.

Catholics are obliged on pain of damnation.

to go to mass on sunday right to hear mass said on on sunday i don't think that's the case in the with evangelicals or with protestants but that is that that is the discipline that the fear that the catholic church not fear that's the wrong word but that is the discipline that the catholic church imposes on catholics you must go and of course you must tithe you must give money to to this institution

The problem, Steve, to pick up one of your earlier questions of what is the ordering here of teaching documents, you have apostolic exhortation at the bottom, then you have encyclicals, then you have, say, dogmatic constitutions.

The tragedy here for Catholics is that they are caught in a very difficult position.

And it says it comes out from what we were saying on the Wednesday show.

This week, my plea to Catholics, to traditional Catholics, is stop giving your obedience to bishops who hate you.

And the tragedy for Catholics is that we are obliged to go to mass and to support the church.

At the same time that the institutional church is taking political positions which are not binding on the faithful, on believers, and via the hierarchy, via the bishops, via the huge political weight that they have to impose that and to frustrate the American government, the US administration, as if those were effectively obligatory positions, political positions.