Ben Hurley

I think I was a couple ahead of you, wasn't I?

Ben, oh, you know, he was, I think he was, was he head boy, I think, or he was?

Yeah, we're out in Coastal at the moment.

Good morning Richie.

Good morning all the way from Apothecary Cafe.

New South Wales.

Yeah, I'm a loser.

A little bit.

And I played with, you know, like Eddinghaus and Bradford back in the day.

So it was, yeah, yeah.

Entrenched in the culture of New South Wales.

Eight years I spent there, so.

I blew my head out.

So I'd take that.

No, I never did.

I had a medial ligament tear, but I've never had an ACL, which is quite staggering, really.

Meniscus and whatever it is they call it now.

You're right, but I think it's just that the players...

You know, in tackles, there's, you know, they're bigger bodies too, so the strain on players now are probably more so, the game's quickened up, but you've got bodies, two or three defenders on you, so at some point, and I guess the ground conditions, changes, you're stepping a lot, these players that's so agile and so...

They're stepping at last minute, so there's got to be a little bit of give there.