Ben Lamm

It actually starts to erode the bottom.

It actually gets deeper.

There's actually cooler water deeper.

And so there's actually different types of fish populations.

Wow.

and frogs and other species of amphibians that can live in that.

So it has this entire trickle effect with just removing that keystone predator.

That's so nuts.

Yeah, so it's crazy.

And nature is pretty awesome at fixing itself, right?

And so it's like, if we can just figure out how we work with technology and nature, then I think, you know, humanity will be fine.

Yeah, I can't believe that because you're introducing the apex predator of the area and it's actually helping the... There's been some really interesting studies on the Tasmanian tiger, another project that we're working on, where there's an awful disease that's a transmissible cancer, which is also just terrifying.

Like the words transmissible and cancer are the same thing.

Yeah.

So there's a transmissible cancer in the Tasmanian devil population.

And so what happens is when they feed, they scratch and they bite each other.

And they're pretty aggressive, little cute animals.

Most people think of Tasmanian devils, they think of like Looney Tunes or what it looks like.

But they're actually pretty cool animals.

But they're pretty aggressive when they're feeding.