Ben Lamm

And so it's forecasted that if the thylacine still existed, that the Tasmanian devil's facial tumor disease wouldn't even be a thing anymore.

How did they get wiped out?

Hunting, human hunting.

Oh, humans.

So we as humans, not colossal, it's before our day, actually hunted them to extinction because these sheep farmers of Tasmania,

were stealing and killing each other's sheep.

And so they then blamed it on the thylacine.

And so what happened is the Australian government actually put a bounty on the thylacine and they went and hunted them to extinction because they were getting paid by the federal government to kill them because they thought it was killing off the sheep.

But there's no day, if you go talk to actual like thylacine researchers, people that spent their whole life on it, like Dr. Andrew Pascoe on our team,

Like there's no data that ever shows that thylacine could have even killed it.

It wasn't the size of prey that they would predate on anyway.

Yeah.

So there's interesting studies that show the rise.

It's 100% inverse related.

Super interesting is that the rise of early man and the rise of early man on a new landmass and the decline of megafauna is directly inversely related.

Wow.

Yeah.

Like in like on every continent that you study, it's like, oh, wait, when did this species go extinct?

When was when did early man get get there?

Because early man, you know, went out and said, oh, we have to go out and, you know, same thing, energy expenditure.