Ben Lindbergh

who created This Is Us and also a lot of other things, right?

Movies, TV shows.

One of my favorite canceled too soon single season shows, Pitch, the baseball show.

Oh yeah, the baseball show, yeah.

There's a lot of baseball in this show.

Just a lot of baseball references.

He's clearly a sports guy.

So I think that the pop culture references, the sci-fi stuff, there's no shortage of post-apocalyptic shows and post-apocalyptic shows

in bunkers.

But, you know, we have Silo, we have Fallout.

It's a pretty crowded genre these days.

But this show, it's just so propulsive.

It's just incredibly compulsively appealing and viewable.

And maybe the reason it's that prestige, like...

You know, this show never met a monologue it didn't like.

Right.

Yeah.

So there's always just like we're clearing out now because Cal, the president played by James Marsden, like he's going to go on a monologue for a while.

Or Julianne Nicholson, who plays Sinatra, the sort of sinister power behind the scenes puppet master or Sterling K. Brown.

who plays savior, you're just going to get these like really kind of sentimental cloying, you know, just a bit, a bit melodramatic, honestly, exchanges and dialogue.