Ben Lindbergh

It's very twisty.

It's very suspense-inducing.

Every episode ends with some kind of cliffhanger or big development so that you instantly just want to watch the next episode.

And it just gets bigger and broader as the season goes on.

And it's not this sort of self-contained bunker anymore that it was.

And as you mentioned, this was created by Dan Fogelman.

who created This Is Us and also a lot of other things, right?

Movies, TV shows.

One of my favorite canceled too soon single season shows, Pitch, the baseball show.

Oh yeah, the baseball show, yeah.

There's a lot of baseball in this show.

Just a lot of baseball references.

He's clearly a sports guy.

So I think that the pop culture references, the sci-fi stuff, there's no shortage of post-apocalyptic shows and post-apocalyptic shows

in bunkers.

But, you know, we have Silo, we have Fallout.

It's a pretty crowded genre these days.

But this show, it's just so propulsive.

It's just incredibly compulsively appealing and viewable.

And maybe the reason it's that prestige, like...