Ben Lindbergh

And so he's extremely dedicated, big wife guy, great dad, and also just a stone cold killer.

And it's just a great portrayal.

Like he's just incredibly magnetic.

He runs...

Sprints like Tom Cruise, he's got one of the best sprints in the business, I think, but also can show some emotion.

He can cry.

He can let it out.

And I think he kind of gives it a gravitas that it wouldn't have otherwise because that character just has such a dignity to him that even though there's some silly stuff going on around him, he kind of anchors it.

And there's that consistent theme in post-apocalyptic shows, just like, what do you have to do to survive?

And do you lose your humanity in the course of preserving your life?

And I guess that's best illustrated through Sinatra, who's the puppet master of the bunker and is trying to sort of put the best interests of the bunker and humanity first.

But then what does that do to her?

And she has to shut down the emotional side of herself and she has to be kind of cutthroat to get there.

Do you think they need podcasters in the bunker?

Do you think we would make the cut?

Would we make the priority list?

People need to be entertained, right?

When you need you need podcasts more than ever in that situation.

Like in the season two finale, they're like, you got Brad Pitt in there somewhere, but we don't.

Yeah.