Ben McKenzie

I knew at the time, or I can now understand at the time, that because I didn't have anything else going on, this, when it presented itself, there was no one saying, oh, you can't spend 10 hours a day reading economic history, but also studying the crypto markets, but also following the true crime of it all.

There's no competing projects.

There's no competing projects.

Exactly.

I was doing the same thing they were, right?

Or effectively like a mirror image of what they were doing just from the skeptic side.

So I just kept looking at it more and more and more.

And very quickly, I was like, this shit really doesn't feel right.

If it's not actually being used as currency, which it wasn't then, it isn't now really, Bitcoin in particular.

I couldn't go to my neighborhood deli in Brooklyn and buy a bagel with Bitcoin.

They look at me like I'm crazy.

And I didn't know why originally, but as I looked into it, I found a lot of different reasons that we can go into.

But whatever the reasons were, it wasn't being used that way.

It was being used as an investment.

And the retail public, the regular public, was being sold on this idea that everyone could get rich instantaneously for free off of this thing that...

Very few people understood.

Or used.

And then the celebrities got in, and I was pretty sure the celebrities didn't know what they were talking about either.

I don't want to talk trash about any one specific person.

Totally.