Ben Meiselas

um and what is what does that even mean we win either way i don't know what are you even talking about we win either way we win we win we went we didn't win we lost the war we lost the war we should never have been in the war and we lost that's what happened okay tariffs are attacks on the american consumer it's causing inflation okay like let's just let's just understand fundamental truths

Because, again, if you try to break it down for me, and I think this is how the American people feel on a lot of issues, I think America understands we lost this war.

Not everybody, but we did, obviously, when they said, here's what's going to happen, and those things didn't happen.

But you have to understand, I don't immediately rush and go, the $300 billion is pathetic, and it's a sellout, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I actually want there to be peace in the Middle East.

That's the hard part about sometimes, you know, if you talk to me like an intelligent person and you explain to me and showed me with charts and graphs and data that

that $300 billion isn't an arbitrary number and that there are lots of businesses who actually think this is a good idea and that somehow this will flow to the benefit of the United States and result in cheaper gas prices and will make things better and can maybe lead to diplomatic breakthroughs in other areas like Russia's invasion of Ukraine since Iran provides Shahid drones to Russia

And could there be a more comprehensive approach?

And is investing $300 billion of private capital, does that have a net positive effect?

I don't know because you're not talking to me like a grownup or like a human.

You're just, I win, you win.

And it's not 300 billion.

It's not 300 billion.

All right, then it's clear to me that whatever you're doing is shady and is a lie and is bad.

Because if it was good, stand on business.

If you did this deal, if your name, Donald J. Trump, is signed to this thing and your name, J.D.

Vance, is signed to this thing, then just – we're going to read it eventually.

Eventually, to use the expression that I've been saying, eventually the algae surfaces.

right?

You can paint it blue for a little bit, but eventually the algae surfaces.