Ben Meiselas

Have you requested meetings with them?

And what do you make of it when, to your point, I mean, look, was there a Trump-Epstein friendship, relationship?

Yes.

Grounding the story in a purely Trumpy – is he in the files?

I don't know.

Maybe.

Who knows?

But the reality is he seemed to have made it a lot about himself by himself making it about – that's been the strange part is that he's very personalized this and said this is –

this is an attack on me and this is a hoax and this is an attack on me.

And so he's been one of the main people who have like, I was like, okay, we'll just release the files.

The survivors want the files released.

I just, when you, regardless of whether the president was Trump or some other person, just the fact that the president of the United States is

is using the word hoax, and he could maybe say, well, I mean, as it relates to, I don't know, but he's using the word hoax around a story that you described that is catastrophic, traumatic, and has impacted thousands of women in the worst way possible.

You just don't use the word hoax around this.

It's incomprehensible.

and what what's the message that you want out there more than that just about like as you went to capitol hill said you want the files released you you you want others in addition to ghislaine

held accountable.

Let me ask you about that before this, because we haven't talked about Ghislaine.

Ghislaine's acted like she knows nothing about this and that she's barely even knew what was going on.

When she spoke to the DOJ, she acted like she was not anywhere knowledgeable.