Ben Meiselas

And then let's talk about what's going on here, as it does seem that the Senate's trying now, at least they're talking.

That's good.

Baby steps talking.

But Mag and Mike saying we ain't talking.

So what do you make of all of this?

Well, you know, he's not even talking.

You know, the strangest part about this whole thing, and I've talked to lots of people who have been with other government shutdowns, they're like, look,

In the past, you'd be trying to, like, work together, come up with solutions like the way, as I said at the outset, like in your fifth grade government class, you know, your first time you learn, it's like, yes, when the parties need each other's votes, you have to talk to each other and have conversations and try to build consensus.

And but I remember with former President Biden, you know, you would have McCarthy show up frequently and what do you need?

What do you need?

All right, let's do this.

Let's do that.

Everybody take it.

People are a little upset about this, a little happy, but deals are made right now.

They're not even like, can you even explain like what it's like?

Like they're not even talking.

These Republicans are not talking to Democrats and Democrats are showing up to work.

And Republicans, they do that press conference and then they like leave for the day.

Then they go out, box, they say their lies.

And then it's like, all right, rinse and repeat.