Ben Meiselas

You may be creating a worse situation.

go over to the Iran deal.

The algae comes back.

Donald Trump can say in 2018, I'm going to get out of this Obama deal and I'm going to do a deal so much better.

Or he can say, I'm going to pull out of the Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act and I'm going to do a better deal.

And that sounds nice.

The Affordable Care Act is messy.

Premiums are still expensive.

You have to rely on subsidies.

It still is unpredictable sometimes.

Sometimes you think, wow, I'm still not getting the best care, but we have to remember where were we before Obamacare when 25, 30 million Americans were uninsured and insurance companies could discriminate on the basis of preexisting conditions.

So the Affordable Care Act was messy.

I believe we should have had universal health care.

I want there to be universal health care.

Right now I do.

I want the government to pay for it.

I want it to be free.

I think health care is a human right.

Obama, I think, wanted that.

But in that time period, the best he could get was the Affordable Care Act.