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Ben-Nadav Hafri

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Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Now imagine I'm a major corporation in the real world. I'm infinitely more powerful than you. I'm Willy Wonka, and you are an Oompa Loompa. I tell you a secret, maybe one you don't even want to know, and then I say, by the way, I have eyes everywhere, and if you breathe a word of this secret to anyone, or even look as if you might breathe a word, I will destroy you. This is the crux of it.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Now imagine I'm a major corporation in the real world. I'm infinitely more powerful than you. I'm Willy Wonka, and you are an Oompa Loompa. I tell you a secret, maybe one you don't even want to know, and then I say, by the way, I have eyes everywhere, and if you breathe a word of this secret to anyone, or even look as if you might breathe a word, I will destroy you. This is the crux of it.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

At their best, trade secrets protect valuable intellectual property from being stolen. But at their worst, they're a powerful tool for a company that wants to turn an employee into an Oompa Loompa. It used to be the easiest way to turn a human being into an Oompa Loompa was a non-compete clause. But Janie says that's going away.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

At their best, trade secrets protect valuable intellectual property from being stolen. But at their worst, they're a powerful tool for a company that wants to turn an employee into an Oompa Loompa. It used to be the easiest way to turn a human being into an Oompa Loompa was a non-compete clause. But Janie says that's going away.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

A lot of states are banning non-competes now, which is one of the reasons a company might come to Louis Del Giudice, IP expert, to help identify and protect their secrets. Could you make that bit in a secret room? Can you have a black vault in the office? Could there be a secret codebook?

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

A lot of states are banning non-competes now, which is one of the reasons a company might come to Louis Del Giudice, IP expert, to help identify and protect their secrets. Could you make that bit in a secret room? Can you have a black vault in the office? Could there be a secret codebook?

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

But trade secrets can have a dangerous power.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

But trade secrets can have a dangerous power.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Trade secrets are the only intellectual property protection that can last forever. And because of that permanence and the way we're geared to think about secrets already, they have a kind of mystical aura. In our secular, disenchanted world, they are the closest thing we have to magic. The most famous ones are the recipes. Coca-Cola's secret formula. KFC's 11 spices.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Trade secrets are the only intellectual property protection that can last forever. And because of that permanence and the way we're geared to think about secrets already, they have a kind of mystical aura. In our secular, disenchanted world, they are the closest thing we have to magic. The most famous ones are the recipes. Coca-Cola's secret formula. KFC's 11 spices.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

The exact way to create Wrigley's gum. But actually, a whole lot of things can be trade secrets. Software code, financial information. You may know a trade secret and not even totally realize it. But a good way to recognize one is the nooks and crannies test. This feels like a good transition to me to Bimbo Bakeries versus Botticella.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

The exact way to create Wrigley's gum. But actually, a whole lot of things can be trade secrets. Software code, financial information. You may know a trade secret and not even totally realize it. But a good way to recognize one is the nooks and crannies test. This feels like a good transition to me to Bimbo Bakeries versus Botticella.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Can you tell me how you came across the case and how you teach it?

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Can you tell me how you came across the case and how you teach it?

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Bimbo Bakeries vs. Botticella. It seemed like every lawyer I talked to knew about the case. It wasn't a precedent so much as a legend. A piece of lore. A fairytale warning about the Oompa Loompa who took the everlasting gobstopper out of Willy Wonka's factory and tried to sell it to a competitor. Like any good fairy tale, it's a good teaching tool because the moral's clear.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Bimbo Bakeries vs. Botticella. It seemed like every lawyer I talked to knew about the case. It wasn't a precedent so much as a legend. A piece of lore. A fairytale warning about the Oompa Loompa who took the everlasting gobstopper out of Willy Wonka's factory and tried to sell it to a competitor. Like any good fairy tale, it's a good teaching tool because the moral's clear.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Except, then I realized, the lessons of this case aren't clear at all. If somehow you missed the 2017 edition of the Pennsylvania Super Lawyers magazine, I would encourage you to look it up. Specifically an article titled, I Can Do That, about a Pennsylvania super lawyer named Elizabeth Ainsley. Liz Ainsley is fearless. She was head of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania's fraud team.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

Except, then I realized, the lessons of this case aren't clear at all. If somehow you missed the 2017 edition of the Pennsylvania Super Lawyers magazine, I would encourage you to look it up. Specifically an article titled, I Can Do That, about a Pennsylvania super lawyer named Elizabeth Ainsley. Liz Ainsley is fearless. She was head of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania's fraud team.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

As Super Lawyers magazine puts it, quote, Ainsley has represented whistleblowers in several major cases, defended and prosecuted high-profile RICO cases against law firms and pharmaceutical companies, defended a major national bank in a lender liability trial, and successfully defended the New York Times in a federal defamation trial. End quote. Legend.

Revisionist History
Nooks & Crannies

As Super Lawyers magazine puts it, quote, Ainsley has represented whistleblowers in several major cases, defended and prosecuted high-profile RICO cases against law firms and pharmaceutical companies, defended a major national bank in a lender liability trial, and successfully defended the New York Times in a federal defamation trial. End quote. Legend.