Ben Owen

Like I was doing really good. And then we had a company-wide meeting in Chicago. And I hadn't, like Pfizer does all these functions. It's impossible to not be around everybody being drunk when you work at a pharmaceutical company. Medical advice is a little different. Territories are much more spread out. And so I hadn't been exposed to that.

Like I was doing really good. And then we had a company-wide meeting in Chicago. And I hadn't, like Pfizer does all these functions. It's impossible to not be around everybody being drunk when you work at a pharmaceutical company. Medical advice is a little different. Territories are much more spread out. And so I hadn't been exposed to that.

Like I was doing really good. And then we had a company-wide meeting in Chicago. And I hadn't, like Pfizer does all these functions. It's impossible to not be around everybody being drunk when you work at a pharmaceutical company. Medical advice is a little different. Territories are much more spread out. And so I hadn't been exposed to that.

We had the meeting in Chicago and I realized I'm in the same fucking environment I was at Pfizer. Except it's even worse. They were like harassing me for not drinking. And I ended up getting into it with our VP of sales, pretty big, pretty bad. And I was like, I can't, I can't stay here.

We had the meeting in Chicago and I realized I'm in the same fucking environment I was at Pfizer. Except it's even worse. They were like harassing me for not drinking. And I ended up getting into it with our VP of sales, pretty big, pretty bad. And I was like, I can't, I can't stay here.

We had the meeting in Chicago and I realized I'm in the same fucking environment I was at Pfizer. Except it's even worse. They were like harassing me for not drinking. And I ended up getting into it with our VP of sales, pretty big, pretty bad. And I was like, I can't, I can't stay here.

And that was just as well because they started telling us to commit Medicare fraud, change billing codes so they would cover our devices and some other stuff that I knew was extremely illegal. I asked a question, and they terminated me, which was fine because I wanted that to happen anyway.

And that was just as well because they started telling us to commit Medicare fraud, change billing codes so they would cover our devices and some other stuff that I knew was extremely illegal. I asked a question, and they terminated me, which was fine because I wanted that to happen anyway.

And that was just as well because they started telling us to commit Medicare fraud, change billing codes so they would cover our devices and some other stuff that I knew was extremely illegal. I asked a question, and they terminated me, which was fine because I wanted that to happen anyway.

Now, a few years later, they ended up getting fined, I think, $21 million by the Office of the Inspector General for exactly what I asked a question about. So, whatever. What was the question?

Now, a few years later, they ended up getting fined, I think, $21 million by the Office of the Inspector General for exactly what I asked a question about. So, whatever. What was the question?

Now, a few years later, they ended up getting fined, I think, $21 million by the Office of the Inspector General for exactly what I asked a question about. So, whatever. What was the question?

is it not Medicare fraud to change this diagnosis from palpitations to conduction delay unspecified, knowing full well that, yes, they mean the same thing, but Medicare will only pay for conduction delay unspecified, not palpitations. And I sent that in an email with those exact words. They knew I was firing shots at them.

is it not Medicare fraud to change this diagnosis from palpitations to conduction delay unspecified, knowing full well that, yes, they mean the same thing, but Medicare will only pay for conduction delay unspecified, not palpitations. And I sent that in an email with those exact words. They knew I was firing shots at them.

is it not Medicare fraud to change this diagnosis from palpitations to conduction delay unspecified, knowing full well that, yes, they mean the same thing, but Medicare will only pay for conduction delay unspecified, not palpitations. And I sent that in an email with those exact words. They knew I was firing shots at them.

Like, I'm telling you, I know you are breaking federal law right now, and I'm not going to do it. And I want you to reply to this email and tell me in writing that you want me to do it. Two of us sent that email. My buddy actually... was the whistleblower that got a few million dollars when they got fined. I went back to that little side hustle I had because I wanted to start my own business.

Like, I'm telling you, I know you are breaking federal law right now, and I'm not going to do it. And I want you to reply to this email and tell me in writing that you want me to do it. Two of us sent that email. My buddy actually... was the whistleblower that got a few million dollars when they got fined. I went back to that little side hustle I had because I wanted to start my own business.

Like, I'm telling you, I know you are breaking federal law right now, and I'm not going to do it. And I want you to reply to this email and tell me in writing that you want me to do it. Two of us sent that email. My buddy actually... was the whistleblower that got a few million dollars when they got fined. I went back to that little side hustle I had because I wanted to start my own business.

I wanted to be self-employed. This is the only way in my mind I could stay sober the way Ben had to stay sober, which is I need to just work for myself and create my own culture at my job. And so I ended up – I ended up making a lot of eBay listings of some computer and server gear that I'd had laying around. But it's dawning on me. Like, I just went from making a lot of money to zero income.

I wanted to be self-employed. This is the only way in my mind I could stay sober the way Ben had to stay sober, which is I need to just work for myself and create my own culture at my job. And so I ended up – I ended up making a lot of eBay listings of some computer and server gear that I'd had laying around. But it's dawning on me. Like, I just went from making a lot of money to zero income.