Ben Rhodes

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You know, never mind Europe, by the way.

I mean, a million European citizens signed a petition to try to terminate the trade agreement with Israel.

You have different European governments calling for that.

You've got Italy under Giorgio Maloney, a right wing populist who was at Trump's inauguration, canceling certain agreements with Israel on defense and trade.

So, I mean, this is a sea change.

Well, this is the other thing that's happened in this war is I think that this is the thing that finally broke the floor underneath Donald Trump internationally.

Right.

You know, in the sense that nobody outside of this country in Israel believes that this war was necessary.

Nobody buys the stuff about, you know, they were two weeks away from a nuclear weapon or whatever.

They live in the real world.

And as you said, it's harder for them.

Some of these countries are hugely dependent on Qatari natural gas that is offline, for instance.

So they're not just dealing with high prices.

They're dealing with meaningful shortages.

And meanwhile, Trump comes along and says, you know, you have to open the strait.

And then he insults them.

And what you're increasingly seeing is –

When you have Pedro Sanchez, the socialist, and I'd say the leader of the European left, and Giorgio Maloney, the leader of the European right, the most successful right-wing politician, both in the same place, fighting Donald Trump, unafraid of Donald Trump.

I think the most important thing the Pope said was, I'm not afraid of him.