Ben Rhodes

We are going to dismantle some of this infrastructure, not all of it, but some of it.

We are going to dismantle parts of the Department of Homeland Security infrastructure in the United States.

We're ending the war.

Like at home and abroad, you know, essentially.

The single most important thing the United States can do for the sake of freedom and human rights and human dignity around the world right now is get our own shit together in our country.

Like the example that we've set has been corrosive around the world under Trump.

Now, if we went after corruption, if we actually went after not just the crimes that Trump has committed, but this infrastructure of the corruption of our foreign policy, the crypto, the way in which big tech has corrupted American foreign policy, that's a playbook that the rest of the world is

desperately needs.

How do we uproot the oligarchs that have gotten their claws into the global commons on technology and on crypto and all these spaces?

I actually think that if we do a detox and a cleanse at home, that that will actually do far more for freedom in the world than having military bases encircling Iran or arming the Israeli government, to be blunt.

I could not agree more, Tim, like you were speaking.

Like I have a piece coming out where I talked to Graham Platner and he was making this point that it is not hard to stand up in front of a crowd and say it is absolutely insane to spend billions of dollars on bombs to drop on girls school in Iran instead of schools and hospitals in the United States.

And there was just none of that energy, maybe from like- There's a handful, Murphy, Rubin, like we can name the people.

We can name them though.

The fact that we can name them is crazy.

The fact that it's not in the hundreds is insane.

This is a huge crisis for the Democratic Party that they didn't take advantage.

And here's what, this is going to be the 2022 midterms over again, because the Democrats will win overwhelmingly because Trump is such a catastrophe.

And Chuck Schumer will be like, well, what a validation of my strategy.

I actually do believe it because I always worried about war.