Ben Rhodes

We stopped doing that for a lot of reasons.

And I get into that technology, social media polarization.

But actually, part of what's missing in the movement against Trump is what is our unifying story?

What do we think it means to be American?

Like, how do we persuade our fellow citizens that we are going down a very, very dark path?

So to me, I really hope people pick up this book.

It was fun to write.

They're amazing characters, they're amazing stories, they're amazing movements, amazing breadcrumbs that, again, make a lot of sense in terms of today.

You look at the past and you're like, oh, that seems familiar.

I can draw a direct line from this thing that happened to where we got to today.

So I think that this story matters more than ever.

Even though it's a history book, it's

It's very much about this moment.

How do we get here and how do we get out of it?

If you can pre-order this book, it is hugely helpful.

Get some on the bestseller list.

Look, if you're going to buy this book when it comes out,

God bless you and I thank you.

But it's not just the bestsellers.

It's like that way they're like, oh, we better print some more of these or get these in the bookshops, right?