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Ben Rhodes

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Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

Us kind of showing up in the world by saying we're on the Russian side. Russia wasn't the aggressor. I mean, that's essential. We voted against the resolution that specified Russia as the aggressor. That matters because that tells the rest of the world you better adjust to that reality. And I think what people need to realize is

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

Us kind of showing up in the world by saying we're on the Russian side. Russia wasn't the aggressor. I mean, that's essential. We voted against the resolution that specified Russia as the aggressor. That matters because that tells the rest of the world you better adjust to that reality. And I think what people need to realize is

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

the outcome of that adjustment is not going to be seen tomorrow or two days from now. But two years from now, the world will have recalibrated to that, away from the United States. When Macron goes back to Europe, sure, he might have had to call dear Donald and say nice things to Trump in front of his face.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

the outcome of that adjustment is not going to be seen tomorrow or two days from now. But two years from now, the world will have recalibrated to that, away from the United States. When Macron goes back to Europe, sure, he might have had to call dear Donald and say nice things to Trump in front of his face.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

the outcome of that adjustment is not going to be seen tomorrow or two days from now. But two years from now, the world will have recalibrated to that, away from the United States. When Macron goes back to Europe, sure, he might have had to call dear Donald and say nice things to Trump in front of his face.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

But I'm sure the Europeans are just getting together, and we'll talk about this, and how do we reorient away from the United States? And that's happening all over the world right now. The only other thing I'd say about the UN is, particularly with the destruction of USAID, Who is left to show up in post-conflict zones, to show up with foreign assistance, to manage refugee flows?

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

But I'm sure the Europeans are just getting together, and we'll talk about this, and how do we reorient away from the United States? And that's happening all over the world right now. The only other thing I'd say about the UN is, particularly with the destruction of USAID, Who is left to show up in post-conflict zones, to show up with foreign assistance, to manage refugee flows?

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

But I'm sure the Europeans are just getting together, and we'll talk about this, and how do we reorient away from the United States? And that's happening all over the world right now. The only other thing I'd say about the UN is, particularly with the destruction of USAID, Who is left to show up in post-conflict zones, to show up with foreign assistance, to manage refugee flows?

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

It's just the UN system and philanthropy, basically. And so the UN really still matters. I mean, who's left to fight a pandemic? who's dealing with bird flu now. The US is kind of totally evacuating that space. The UN system itself matters. And it's not just what Elise Stefanik might be voting. It's that I'm sure they'll also be choking off funds, as you said.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

It's just the UN system and philanthropy, basically. And so the UN really still matters. I mean, who's left to fight a pandemic? who's dealing with bird flu now. The US is kind of totally evacuating that space. The UN system itself matters. And it's not just what Elise Stefanik might be voting. It's that I'm sure they'll also be choking off funds, as you said.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

It's just the UN system and philanthropy, basically. And so the UN really still matters. I mean, who's left to fight a pandemic? who's dealing with bird flu now. The US is kind of totally evacuating that space. The UN system itself matters. And it's not just what Elise Stefanik might be voting. It's that I'm sure they'll also be choking off funds, as you said.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

And so then it's like, who's paying for these problems that you should care about, again, on a human level, but on a stability level? Like if nobody is there to manage migration flows, guess what? There's going to be more migration. It's going to get worse. If nobody's there to stop pandemics, there's going to be more pandemics. So- this dysfunction is going to be manifested over time.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

And so then it's like, who's paying for these problems that you should care about, again, on a human level, but on a stability level? Like if nobody is there to manage migration flows, guess what? There's going to be more migration. It's going to get worse. If nobody's there to stop pandemics, there's going to be more pandemics. So- this dysfunction is going to be manifested over time.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

And so then it's like, who's paying for these problems that you should care about, again, on a human level, but on a stability level? Like if nobody is there to manage migration flows, guess what? There's going to be more migration. It's going to get worse. If nobody's there to stop pandemics, there's going to be more pandemics. So- this dysfunction is going to be manifested over time.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

First of all, I know you have become like a very enthusiastic observer of German politics. Did you watch the post-election tradition where they have all the leaders on television? Yeah, it's weird, right?

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

First of all, I know you have become like a very enthusiastic observer of German politics. Did you watch the post-election tradition where they have all the leaders on television? Yeah, it's weird, right?

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

First of all, I know you have become like a very enthusiastic observer of German politics. Did you watch the post-election tradition where they have all the leaders on television? Yeah, it's weird, right?

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

So like the night of the election, like every leader of the party is like in a joint interview. It's totally wild. I love it.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

So like the night of the election, like every leader of the party is like in a joint interview. It's totally wild. I love it.

Pod Save the World
The US and Europe’s Conscious Uncoupling

So like the night of the election, like every leader of the party is like in a joint interview. It's totally wild. I love it.