Ben Rhodes

Well, that gave us an advantage over the Soviet Union because people said, look at what people can do in a democracy.

They can right wrongs.

They can stand for things.

They can even deal with their own problems like systemic racism and segregation.

We are in a moment where we're going to need similar storytelling about what is the purpose of the United States, but also about what is the next world order, because the whole house is being blown down right now.

We're not renovating this country or the international order.

We're gonna have to rebuild it on the other side of Trump.

And there has to be a story at the center of that from which policy and relationships grow like branches.

I love the question.

And actually, I will point to a few Democrats who are doing something interesting in the way they speak, because I think we can draw from them some of the answers to your question.

If you look at a John Ossoff, for instance, when he speaks about corruption,

He connects it to why things are so broken and how things could get better.

In the Democratic Party, there's also often been like, we're either talking about democracy and corruption kind of process issues, or we're talking about healthcare and policy issues.

And what Ossoff is saying is he's telling a story

about how this whole system has become corrupted.

And not just Trump, the entire political system has become corrupted.

That's why you, the rotor, are getting bad outcomes.

That's why the prices are too high.

That's why you can't afford healthcare.

That's why AI is coming for your jobs.