Ben Rhodes

And I think in the Trump era, we've fallen into a trap the last three presidential campaigns

where we're so angry, and we're kind of, we should be, by the way, but you need to kind of have, AOC's angry about the same things we are, right?

She's angry about the oligarchy.

She's angry about inequality.

She's angry about racism, discrimination, but there's a kind of joy to her politics.

And so I think if you take those three examples, the kind of coherence of an Ossoff,

the kind of core values proposition of Italerico, and then that kind of joyful fearlessness of an AOC, you have the ingredients of what we need.

Again, the common thread, and I saw this like through all the speeches that I found to be the most impactful in my book,

is they're not just policy proposals.

They're about something bigger than that.

They're telling a story about what has happened in this country, why it's happened, why I, the speaker, uniquely care about it and am motivated to do something about it, and then laying out a vision that other people can be a part of.

And I think we're beginning to see, and notably, Asaf, AOC, Tallarico, they're younger.

I also think there's a generational change.

People are ready to hear someone come along who's my age or younger and say, let's just turn the page on all of this, which can often be the most powerful message in the world, one of generational change.

Thank you so much.

And I love what you guys are doing.

It's really inspiring to watch.

So thanks.

Over 10 years now, John.

10 years?