Ben Rhodes

And we should be, you know, that school, I guarantee you the number one image of the war being consumed around the world

well, if not number one, it's certainly up there, is the image of those parents screaming because they lost their children in that school.

It's a horrifying video.

And so look, so in a weird way, Iran is kind of reinforcing the chaos strategy.

It's like, see, look what's happening.

We have no choice but to kind of pour gasoline on this fire that was set.

And again, it's going to make them a lot of enemies.

But I think that they're

Their view is like, we have to set as many fires as we can to make this war feel as uncomfortable for people as we can.

But to me, the ultimate future of the war will be determined inside of Iran, inside the politics of Iran.

And that we don't know how that's going to play out at all.

Yeah, I mean, this is going to be a real cleavage inside of his coalition, right?

I mean, this is, again, it's not a secondary issue for a lot of people.

You know, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, I mean, really the leading lights, such as they are, of MAGA.

And look, what's amazing about this is that

One of Trump's most effective arguments was this one against ending forever wars.

It was central to his rise, right?

When he dismantled Jeb Bush on the debate stage in 2015 over Iraq, no other Republican would, that's when he moved to the front of the pack.

Like he would not be president without his kind of repeated opposition to this idea of forever wars.

In the first term too, he was much more careful about the United States getting in conflicts.