Ben Rhodes

Not even close, yeah. This is unlike anything that has taken place in my entire lifetime. And, you know... I'd have to mine my brain. I mean, I assume there were some tough meetings, you know, in the Civil War. But yeah, never, never. We've never seen anything like it. Yeah.

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Yeah, two things stand out to me about this. First, just so people know what Zelensky is talking about, he's talking about the Minsk agreement that was reached in the late Obama administration to essentially freeze the conflict and have some kind of process whereby the Ukrainians had autonomous regions in these places where the Russians had invaded in eastern Ukraine. And what he's saying is,

Yeah, two things stand out to me about this. First, just so people know what Zelensky is talking about, he's talking about the Minsk agreement that was reached in the late Obama administration to essentially freeze the conflict and have some kind of process whereby the Ukrainians had autonomous regions in these places where the Russians had invaded in eastern Ukraine. And what he's saying is,

Yeah, two things stand out to me about this. First, just so people know what Zelensky is talking about, he's talking about the Minsk agreement that was reached in the late Obama administration to essentially freeze the conflict and have some kind of process whereby the Ukrainians had autonomous regions in these places where the Russians had invaded in eastern Ukraine. And what he's saying is,

Putin broke the ceasefire. The last time someone tried to do what Trump's doing, you know, Putin is the one that violated the agreement and reinvaded the country and dramatically escalated. And that's just a fact. It's not an opinion. You know, so this is going to be a reoccurring theme here that Zelensky is saying facts and J.D.

Putin broke the ceasefire. The last time someone tried to do what Trump's doing, you know, Putin is the one that violated the agreement and reinvaded the country and dramatically escalated. And that's just a fact. It's not an opinion. You know, so this is going to be a reoccurring theme here that Zelensky is saying facts and J.D.

Putin broke the ceasefire. The last time someone tried to do what Trump's doing, you know, Putin is the one that violated the agreement and reinvaded the country and dramatically escalated. And that's just a fact. It's not an opinion. You know, so this is going to be a reoccurring theme here that Zelensky is saying facts and J.D.

Vance and Trump are just basically offering Kremlin talking points in response. And then, Tommy, I said this to you, but for J.D.

Vance and Trump are just basically offering Kremlin talking points in response. And then, Tommy, I said this to you, but for J.D.

Vance and Trump are just basically offering Kremlin talking points in response. And then, Tommy, I said this to you, but for J.D.

Vance to refer to visits that people make to Ukraine as propaganda tours was one of the most triggering things and many that were said today, because what people do when they go to Ukraine is they they often visit Bucha, for instance, where there were war crimes committed, where innocent civilians were massacred, where children were killed. And to call that a propaganda tour is so beyond the pale.

Vance to refer to visits that people make to Ukraine as propaganda tours was one of the most triggering things and many that were said today, because what people do when they go to Ukraine is they they often visit Bucha, for instance, where there were war crimes committed, where innocent civilians were massacred, where children were killed. And to call that a propaganda tour is so beyond the pale.

Vance to refer to visits that people make to Ukraine as propaganda tours was one of the most triggering things and many that were said today, because what people do when they go to Ukraine is they they often visit Bucha, for instance, where there were war crimes committed, where innocent civilians were massacred, where children were killed. And to call that a propaganda tour is so beyond the pale.

It's essentially him calling the truth propaganda. When people go to Ukraine, what they see is the reality of a country that's been invaded and bombarded and had tens of thousands of children kidnapped and tens of thousands of people killed. And J.D. Vance calls that the propaganda. And it's it's up is down. It's black is white. It's just 180 degrees wrong. And I agree with you, Tommy.

It's essentially him calling the truth propaganda. When people go to Ukraine, what they see is the reality of a country that's been invaded and bombarded and had tens of thousands of children kidnapped and tens of thousands of people killed. And J.D. Vance calls that the propaganda. And it's it's up is down. It's black is white. It's just 180 degrees wrong. And I agree with you, Tommy.

It's essentially him calling the truth propaganda. When people go to Ukraine, what they see is the reality of a country that's been invaded and bombarded and had tens of thousands of children kidnapped and tens of thousands of people killed. And J.D. Vance calls that the propaganda. And it's it's up is down. It's black is white. It's just 180 degrees wrong. And I agree with you, Tommy.

It felt like J.D. Vance was setting a trap like he was getting trying to provoke Zelensky to say something that would piss off Trump. Yeah. Which is a pretty fucking dark role for him to be playing.