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Ben Rhodes

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

you know, there were certain some of the restrictions on the numbers of centrifuges that Iran could operate, that that ceiling started to go up.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And the kinds of research and development that they could do on more advanced centrifuges so that they can reach uranium quicker, those started to lift.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And now this became another source of general freak out to the FDG crowd.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

I do have to say, Tim, here, because Donald Trump pulled out of this deal in 2018,

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

long before the end of the sunset periods.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So pulling out of the deal, they put the centrifuges back in.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They started using the advanced centrifuges.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They started to acquire a stockpile of enriched uranium.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So the geniuses in not just the Trump administration, but at the FDD and these other hawkish places got what they wanted, which is a much faster acceleration of the uranium nuclear program than would have been the case under the JCPOA.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And this is one of the reasons why I try not to think about it too much.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

The point is that before this war, because Donald Trump pulled out of the JCPOA, Iran's nuclear program was more advanced than it was before the JCPOA, never mind with the JCPOA restrictions.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They had more of a stockpile of highly enriched uranium.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They were using more advanced centrifuges.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

All the things that the critics of the JCPOA warned about, they were doing because Iran

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

Donald Trump pulled out of the JCPOA in 2018.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So we ostensibly went to war against Donald Trump's own policy of pulling out of the JCPOA, which is something that these people will never acknowledge for the rest of my lifetime, but it is the truth.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

I assume that...

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

If in the good scenario, in the best case scenario in which Iran makes a deal and this war ends comprehensively,

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They'll ship that stockpile out.