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Ben Rhodes

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

You had UN Security Council resolutions.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

This is like a handshake agreement in Pakistan, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And so it just doesn't have the same legitimacy, legal basis.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

Someone could walk away from this in six months or a year without the kind of same drama and consequence of walking away from the JCPOA.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So they will rebuild their ballistic missile capability.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

The nuclear program, by the way, they may very well say, like, we're not going to enrich uranium for a period of time because part of what they've learned, Tim, is that as long as they have a nuclear program, right, that's an option available to them.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And by the way, we don't know what they might try to do covertly, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

Because if the inspections regime, you're counting on intelligence, and clearly the U.S.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

and Israel have pretty good intelligence, but they could just take that nuclear program underground, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

But they'll restart their ballistic missile program.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

What they've also learned though, what this war has demonstrated is that a bunch of drones that they can build in the garage were actually in some ways more damaging than even their ballistic missiles because they were able to shut down the Gulf.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They were able to disrupt the entire global economy by hitting the largest natural gas field in the world in Qatar, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They were able to end the Dubai model.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

We'll see how long it takes for tourism to crank back up there, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So,

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

Just with drones and some ballistic missiles, they demonstrated a deterrent capability and an ability to shut down the strait.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And so the regime will take that revenue and they will reinvest in all those different military capabilities.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

Yes, I think they will also rebuild.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

I think that's exactly right.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And look, they could use that money to buy more effective missiles from China, right, which they began to do.