Ben Scallan

let alone actually implementing it, yet we will import the electricity that's generated in nuclear countries like France.

So we are one of the most energy-exposed countries in Europe, and Europe as a continent is incredibly energy-exposed relative to a country like America, which obviously has its own domestic supplies of this stuff.

So we're in an incredibly precarious position.

Well, the protesters here, when they were blocking certain kinds of infrastructure as a form of protest, the government accused them of an act of national sabotage.

I wonder what kind of sabotage it is to deliberately increase the price of energy on citizens with the express purpose of making their life harder.

I think there's a lot of people in the crowd who would have called that an act of national sabotage.

I'm not aware of another region outside of Europe that does that, given, as you know, and as your listeners know, energy is the lifeblood of any kind of society or economy.

This is the essence of the modern world, how we are able to heat ourselves, feed ourselves, transport ourselves.

Without that, everything grinds to a halt.

And so the idea that you would go out of your way as a state to intentionally make it harder for people to utilize that seems absurd to me.

And of course, they say if a government minister was sitting here,

that this is all being replaced with green energy.

But we've been pursuing that for decades now, and we're still in the position we're in.

So without even getting into, you know, you could have all the arguments you want about the efficacy of windmills and offshore wind and all these different renewable measures that they push, but

If that was all it was cracked up to be, I don't think we would be in the calamitous situation we're in now.

The results kind of speak for themselves.

Well, frankly, Ireland is very hostile to Donald Trump overall.

There are exceptions, of course.

You're never going to get unanimity on somebody who's as polarizing as the US president.

But I think there was a poll done not too long ago which found that if Ireland...