Ben Stiller

Yes, yeah. It's also interesting because you're not really into it as Mark.

Yeah. Well, it's also interesting because you have spent 40 minutes in the outside world. You have an experience of the outside world that Dylan doesn't have. Mm-hmm. He's had like maybe 30 seconds in his closet. But when you say like Irving's not dead, you really, you know, you're really like coming at it from a place of like, I think you're just so sort of over the whole thing.

Yeah. Well, it's also interesting because you have spent 40 minutes in the outside world. You have an experience of the outside world that Dylan doesn't have. Mm-hmm. He's had like maybe 30 seconds in his closet. But when you say like Irving's not dead, you really, you know, you're really like coming at it from a place of like, I think you're just so sort of over the whole thing.

Yeah. Well, it's also interesting because you have spent 40 minutes in the outside world. You have an experience of the outside world that Dylan doesn't have. Mm-hmm. He's had like maybe 30 seconds in his closet. But when you say like Irving's not dead, you really, you know, you're really like coming at it from a place of like, I think you're just so sort of over the whole thing.

But also I think in my mind also feeling this hurt from the Helena Helly lie. Yeah. And Dylan's feeling this hurt having lost Irving. Irving.

But also I think in my mind also feeling this hurt from the Helena Helly lie. Yeah. And Dylan's feeling this hurt having lost Irving. Irving.

But also I think in my mind also feeling this hurt from the Helena Helly lie. Yeah. And Dylan's feeling this hurt having lost Irving. Irving.

At the same time, you're processing the fact that you now don't trust Helly because you don't know. You really don't know. So everything is sort of upended.

At the same time, you're processing the fact that you now don't trust Helly because you don't know. You really don't know. So everything is sort of upended.

At the same time, you're processing the fact that you now don't trust Helly because you don't know. You really don't know. So everything is sort of upended.

No, there were so many different agendas to juggle in terms of what would be on the character's minds after this huge revelation.

No, there were so many different agendas to juggle in terms of what would be on the character's minds after this huge revelation.

No, there were so many different agendas to juggle in terms of what would be on the character's minds after this huge revelation.

Yeah, because the audience has, I felt it was like incredibly important that the audience after episode four can get reinvested in what's going on and is not going, well, wait a minute, this happened or that happened. How could they even not worry about that? Yeah.

Yeah, because the audience has, I felt it was like incredibly important that the audience after episode four can get reinvested in what's going on and is not going, well, wait a minute, this happened or that happened. How could they even not worry about that? Yeah.

Yeah, because the audience has, I felt it was like incredibly important that the audience after episode four can get reinvested in what's going on and is not going, well, wait a minute, this happened or that happened. How could they even not worry about that? Yeah.

And that it took a little while to figure out what were the important things that the characters had to address for us to really kind of reset the story and keep it going forward in these little sort of interaction moments. It's not like a bigger story thing. It's more like little emotional tracking stuff. But it was also storytelling wise.

And that it took a little while to figure out what were the important things that the characters had to address for us to really kind of reset the story and keep it going forward in these little sort of interaction moments. It's not like a bigger story thing. It's more like little emotional tracking stuff. But it was also storytelling wise.

And that it took a little while to figure out what were the important things that the characters had to address for us to really kind of reset the story and keep it going forward in these little sort of interaction moments. It's not like a bigger story thing. It's more like little emotional tracking stuff. But it was also storytelling wise.

We thought, you know, Mark has to rethink everything that happened in the first four episodes. And so he has to really go back and process that. And what it does is it takes away any trust he really has in Helly. And so they have to kind of figure out how to rebuild their relationship.