Ben Terris

And you kind of expect a politician to talk about that instead of just saying, like, you know, it's a magical fix. So that was a little surprising. And I pushed him on it a little to say, well, listen... I've talked to a number of your staff members, mostly former, who are worried about you. They're worried that maybe you're not on your recovery plan like you should be.

And you kind of expect a politician to talk about that instead of just saying, like, you know, it's a magical fix. So that was a little surprising. And I pushed him on it a little to say, well, listen... I've talked to a number of your staff members, mostly former, who are worried about you. They're worried that maybe you're not on your recovery plan like you should be.

And you kind of expect a politician to talk about that instead of just saying, like, you know, it's a magical fix. So that was a little surprising. And I pushed him on it a little to say, well, listen... I've talked to a number of your staff members, mostly former, who are worried about you. They're worried that maybe you're not on your recovery plan like you should be.

They're also worried that maybe you're not taking your medication and that the medication is serious and that you're on a bad path. Can you speak to that? And at that moment, the tenor of the conversation shifts kind of dramatically. I don't think he was really expecting that. And he denies it. He says it's all disgruntled staff who have a grudge.

They're also worried that maybe you're not taking your medication and that the medication is serious and that you're on a bad path. Can you speak to that? And at that moment, the tenor of the conversation shifts kind of dramatically. I don't think he was really expecting that. And he denies it. He says it's all disgruntled staff who have a grudge.

They're also worried that maybe you're not taking your medication and that the medication is serious and that you're on a bad path. Can you speak to that? And at that moment, the tenor of the conversation shifts kind of dramatically. I don't think he was really expecting that. And he denies it. He says it's all disgruntled staff who have a grudge.

And he won't really answer kind of the central part of the question, which is, are you on your recovery plan? are you doing okay? It just becomes kind of a response to who are these people? These are people who are mad at me for my Israel-Palestine position, for example, or have other reasons to have a grudge. But there's basically no truth to what they're saying.

And he won't really answer kind of the central part of the question, which is, are you on your recovery plan? are you doing okay? It just becomes kind of a response to who are these people? These are people who are mad at me for my Israel-Palestine position, for example, or have other reasons to have a grudge. But there's basically no truth to what they're saying.

And he won't really answer kind of the central part of the question, which is, are you on your recovery plan? are you doing okay? It just becomes kind of a response to who are these people? These are people who are mad at me for my Israel-Palestine position, for example, or have other reasons to have a grudge. But there's basically no truth to what they're saying.

I mean, you know, whistleblowers, and this is basically a whistleblower type story, always have some, you know, there's always a variety of reasons why people are willing to blow the whistle. It can be because they're genuinely worried about the person that they're blowing the whistle about, or they're genuinely worried about what will happen if they don't say anything.

I mean, you know, whistleblowers, and this is basically a whistleblower type story, always have some, you know, there's always a variety of reasons why people are willing to blow the whistle. It can be because they're genuinely worried about the person that they're blowing the whistle about, or they're genuinely worried about what will happen if they don't say anything.

I mean, you know, whistleblowers, and this is basically a whistleblower type story, always have some, you know, there's always a variety of reasons why people are willing to blow the whistle. It can be because they're genuinely worried about the person that they're blowing the whistle about, or they're genuinely worried about what will happen if they don't say anything.

There's also political reasons to do it. There's also personal reasons. And so I think that, sure, Adam probably had lots of reasons why he was willing to speak out now when he wasn't willing to speak out before. But for me, I wasn't about to just take Adam at his word.

There's also political reasons to do it. There's also personal reasons. And so I think that, sure, Adam probably had lots of reasons why he was willing to speak out now when he wasn't willing to speak out before. But for me, I wasn't about to just take Adam at his word.

There's also political reasons to do it. There's also personal reasons. And so I think that, sure, Adam probably had lots of reasons why he was willing to speak out now when he wasn't willing to speak out before. But for me, I wasn't about to just take Adam at his word.

Whether he's a friend of mine or a source I just met, as a journalist, my job is never to just hear one side of a story and then run with it. And so I talked to so many people for this story, so many people who don't even appear in the story. And so Adam can be the kind of catalyst to send me off on an investigation.

Whether he's a friend of mine or a source I just met, as a journalist, my job is never to just hear one side of a story and then run with it. And so I talked to so many people for this story, so many people who don't even appear in the story. And so Adam can be the kind of catalyst to send me off on an investigation.

Whether he's a friend of mine or a source I just met, as a journalist, my job is never to just hear one side of a story and then run with it. And so I talked to so many people for this story, so many people who don't even appear in the story. And so Adam can be the kind of catalyst to send me off on an investigation.

But if I found out that Adam was wrong, if I found out that nobody believed what Adam believed, then that would have all made it into the story. My number one goal when being a journalist is to tell a true story. And to do that, you have to talk to just so many people and you have to go through so much documentation. I'm relying on text messages. I'm relying on firsthand accounts.

But if I found out that Adam was wrong, if I found out that nobody believed what Adam believed, then that would have all made it into the story. My number one goal when being a journalist is to tell a true story. And to do that, you have to talk to just so many people and you have to go through so much documentation. I'm relying on text messages. I'm relying on firsthand accounts.