Ben van Kerkwyk

I drank most of my life.

But it's not good for you.

But the point is we need freedom.

And you need the freedom to be able to explore these things and find out what's right for you and wrong for you.

And you need the freedom to be able to run studies and get accurate information in terms of dosages and side effects and what sort of –

Genetic issues that certain people might have that make them more inclined to be addicted to alcohol or addicted to cannabis or whatever their issue is, whether it's psychological or biological.

We need to have information to put a blockade on this in the form of prohibition.

It's stupid.

And the fact that we're doing it in 2025 with all the information that we have available today, we have an abundance of information.

Yes.

It's also one experience has an 80% success rate.

80% of the people don't go back to opiates.

Right.

With two experiences is in the high 90s.

You also have to make sense of it in a time where things are prescribed and you get them from a doctor that we absolutely know are addictive and highly damaging and kill people.

That's right.

So make sense of it to me.

If there's something – cannabis is the easy one, right?

Because it doesn't kill anybody.

Right.