Ben van Kerkwyk

It's changed pretty radically.

And I credit the Internet with that because over the last 20 years, you've seen this massive shift in this idea that psychedelics are dangerous.

You could lose your mind to, hey, that's how my uncle quit smoking.

You know, hey, that's how my aunt got off of opiates.

Hey, that's, you know, and everyone knows somebody that's had positive experiences that was, you know, deeply depressed and now is a different person.

And they're so much happier and healthier because of it.

And so it's the narrative publicly has shifted.

Has shifted.

And a lot of it is because of conversations.

And a lot of it is because of podcasts.

A lot of it is access to information.

There's plenty of online documentaries about it now.

That's right.

Yeah.

And having the courage.

Well, especially if you're in a business like yourself, like law enforcement, you know, where it's like that's a forbidden topic.

I don't know.

Well, it's been going on for quite a bit, right?

I mean, I know people in Los Angeles were doing it a decade ago.

I knew of a guy who had a problem with it.