Ben van Kerkwyk

If you just legalize them, there's a lot of people who would never try any illegal drug who would try a legal drug.

If you made heroin, cocaine, fill in the blank, all the different –

substances, psychedelic and otherwise, if you made them all legal, you're going to have a bunch of people that are going to have problems with these things that wouldn't have problems with them normally.

So there would be a period of time where it would cause damage.

And that would be really problematic for politicians, lawmakers, anybody who enforced these ideas.

There'd be blood is on your hands.

But this

Infantilization of human beings like turning them into babies that maybe need to be controlled by the state That's the problem and we're in this problem and the only way to get out of that problem is to tear the fucking band-aid off And I completely agree with you and I don't want to do cocaine I've never done cocaine my whole life I saw when I was a kid in high school I saw a bunch of people that had cocaine problems and I was like I don't want to have anything to do with that right and

Yeah.

I don't think it's that addictive when you're just chewing the leaves.

Right.

I think those people do it without much problems.

There's also mate de cocoa, which is a tea that they make from the leaves.

But the problem is even with decriminalization, what's the supply?

Where are people getting it from?

If you can't sell it legally, then how do I know it's pure?

That's right.

That's the real issue.

The real issue with cocaine is probably not cocaine itself.

The real issue is getting cocaine that's stepped on and cut.