Ben van Kerkwyk

Manipulation.

Yeah, and manipulate them into thinking that the only way is we have to go over there and kill these people.

That's the only way to fight for your freedom.

There's a few moments in history.

The Toba volcano.

yeah right well there was probably so few people they had to yeah that's right well this this is the also the point of allegro's work that fertility rituals were important because people didn't really survive much you know it was very difficult child just labor just childbirth killed a lot of women killed a lot of babies infections killed a lot of people you break your leg you're dead there's a lot of things that cause people to die so it was very important

To have as many children as possible because most of them weren't going to live.

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The most critical of all processes.

And that's been reduced to a thing now that's like trivialized.

Yeah.

It's kind of crazy.

I mean, there's people out there that love people that don't want to have children.

I'm like, okay, well, I wouldn't want to bring a child into this world.

Like, yeah, why would you with all the books and medicine and shit?

Nicely said.

Yeah.