Ben Wilson

So this is brilliant because I've been reading Thus Spake Zarathustra by Nietzsche because I'm working on a Nietzsche episode. And he has a quote that's basically exactly what you just said. Because you just go, like you say, stories and aphorisms are what people remember. Yeah, what people remember. And so that's just, you just go straight from... story to story from aphorism to aphorism.

So this is brilliant because I've been reading Thus Spake Zarathustra by Nietzsche because I'm working on a Nietzsche episode. And he has a quote that's basically exactly what you just said. Because you just go, like you say, stories and aphorisms are what people remember. Yeah, what people remember. And so that's just, you just go straight from... story to story from aphorism to aphorism.

And in Thus Spakes Zarathustra, he says, in the mountains, the shortest way is from peak to peak. But for that, one must have long legs. Aphorisms should be peaks and those who are addressed tall and lofty.

And in Thus Spakes Zarathustra, he says, in the mountains, the shortest way is from peak to peak. But for that, one must have long legs. Aphorisms should be peaks and those who are addressed tall and lofty.

So that is exactly what you just said, that like he just he believes in writing, going from aphorism to aphorism, from intelligent thought to intelligent thought, skipping over everything else in between and only addressing yourself to people who are

So that is exactly what you just said, that like he just he believes in writing, going from aphorism to aphorism, from intelligent thought to intelligent thought, skipping over everything else in between and only addressing yourself to people who are

I'm interested in this, though, because I agree completely. And you're so open and generous. And you talked about podcasting is like filmmaking. It's not zero-sum. It's collaborative. But one of the things you've been talking a lot about recently is secrets and the power of secrets. So how do you kind of square those two ideas, right?

I'm interested in this, though, because I agree completely. And you're so open and generous. And you talked about podcasting is like filmmaking. It's not zero-sum. It's collaborative. But one of the things you've been talking a lot about recently is secrets and the power of secrets. So how do you kind of square those two ideas, right?

Because it's kind of the idea of secrets and having powerful secrets is kind of the opposite of what you're talking about.

Because it's kind of the idea of secrets and having powerful secrets is kind of the opposite of what you're talking about.

It's the most relationship driven medium by far.

It's the most relationship driven medium by far.

I think there's, like, a big... Like one of the problems with this is, so for example, I play tennis, okay? And I was playing tennis at the local college on some of their courts. And the college players were playing next to me. And so they play at BYU. It's a Division I program, really good tennis players. And when you watch those guys, they are moving so fast. They're hitting the ball so hard.

I think there's, like, a big... Like one of the problems with this is, so for example, I play tennis, okay? And I was playing tennis at the local college on some of their courts. And the college players were playing next to me. And so they play at BYU. It's a Division I program, really good tennis players. And when you watch those guys, they are moving so fast. They're hitting the ball so hard.

They're running so hard. You can really tell, right? And you're like, whoa, I could never do this. I could never compete on that level. Then I go watch. I went to the U.S. Open and I'm watching Djokovic and Nadal, the best tennis players in the world. And they are so good. They're so good. They're so much better than the guys I was playing next to at the BYU courts that it changes all of a sudden.

They're running so hard. You can really tell, right? And you're like, whoa, I could never do this. I could never compete on that level. Then I go watch. I went to the U.S. Open and I'm watching Djokovic and Nadal, the best tennis players in the world. And they are so good. They're so good. They're so much better than the guys I was playing next to at the BYU courts that it changes all of a sudden.

I look at Nadal and I'm like, I bet you I could play with him. But I obviously know I can't. But in my head, because he makes it look so effortless that you're like, oh, I could do that. And it's the same thing. When people are at the very top, when they're looking at someone like Rogan, they're like, I think I could do that because he makes it look effortless.

I look at Nadal and I'm like, I bet you I could play with him. But I obviously know I can't. But in my head, because he makes it look so effortless that you're like, oh, I could do that. And it's the same thing. When people are at the very top, when they're looking at someone like Rogan, they're like, I think I could do that because he makes it look effortless.

But the truth is he's a top 0.00001% conversationalist. And the same is true of Jordi and Coogan that like they're really talented and they're actually so talented that it can sometimes hide just how talented they are. And so people think they can do things that they can't do.

But the truth is he's a top 0.00001% conversationalist. And the same is true of Jordi and Coogan that like they're really talented and they're actually so talented that it can sometimes hide just how talented they are. And so people think they can do things that they can't do.