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Benjamin Felix

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The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And then investing in the shares once they're listed on the public market has been rough to say the least.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They're the sort of consistent pattern of IPO underperformance, even as a name, named by Jay Ritter, who's also been a guest on this podcast.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They called it in a 1995 paper, the new issues puzzle.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They had looked at companies issuing stock.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

This is IPOs, but also seasoned equity offerings.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Companies issuing stock from 1970 to 1990 tended to be poor investments.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

In this paper, they find that investors and IPOs receive average returns of only 5% per year, while similar listed firms return 12% over the same period.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

The paper notes that to achieve the same wealth five years later, an investor would have had to put 44% more money

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

into new issues in the sample than into established firms of the same size.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Pretty crazy.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And hope that they're right.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Yeah, I guess that's true.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

That is a good point.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

That's data ending in the 90s.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And there's a more recent 2019 study from Dimensional Fund Advisors where they looked at the first year secondary market performance of more than 6,000 IPOs from 1991 to 2018.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So that actually does pick up right where Jay Ritter's sample ends.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And they find that a portfolio of IPOs generally underperform the market and the small cap index by about 2% per year.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

The main exception is the 1992 to 2000 period when the IPO portfolio outperformed the small cap index by about 1.1% annually.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And that was mainly due to IPOs consisting of small tech companies that their prices took off during the dot-com boom.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

But we all know what happened after that.